Hi - When (particularly immature) northern gulls winter in subtropical to tropical areas, they experience extreme feather wear and bleaching. I suspect the most affected ones are not producing enough uropygial oil to preen properly as well. The upper wing coverts on this bird have actually lost most of their barbs, so the white panels showing are the shafts of those feathers plus the pale (normally covered) pale bases of the secondaries underneath. Shape and bill characters seem consistent with Greater Black-backed, but face it: this bird has lost to wear and bleaching most of the plumage markings you would use in ID. Without other gulls in the photo for size comparison, I would hesitate to put a name on it, and I would particularly not want to call it something rare. Wayne -----Original Message----- From: obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:obol-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charles Gates Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 8:31 AM To: obol Subject: [obol] Non-Oregon Gull ID Question While birding the Atlantic coast of Florida a few weeks ago, we came across a "mystery" gull that has evaded identification to this point. Even though we had a very experienced Oregon birder and one of Florida's best birders in our group, we were unable to come to a positive conclusion as to the identification. Anyone out there want to take a look? I can say that the gull was larger than a close-by Lesser Black-backed Gull. I only have two photos. The photos show a large-billed, flat-headed gull that is pale overall with brown edges to the primaries, very bleached out upper wing coverts, light head, dark eye and pink legs. The default here is Great Black-backed Gull because of size and bill shape but I can't find any similar individual in my gull book (Howell & Dunn) unless leucism is involved. View the bird at https://app.box.com/s/lzvczbrf7gvljta6cu43 -- It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. Mark Twain Chuck Gates 541-280-4957 Powell Butte, Central Oregon Oregon Birding Site Guide www.birdingoregon.info OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx OBOL archives: www.freelists.org/archive/obol Manage your account or unsubscribe: //www.freelists.org/list/obol Contact moderators: obol-moderators@xxxxxxxxxxxxx