Should have said "could not do" without the bird in the hand. Dave Irons From: llsdirons@xxxxxxx To: hobbsmorey@xxxxxxxxxxx; obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [obol] ID of waterbird in Nehalem? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 16:48:43 +0000 This is a young Hooded Merganser. Note that there is no obvious sexual dimorphism in adult Red-necked Grebes, so telling a male from a female is something you could do without the bird in the hand. Dave Irons From: hobbsmorey@xxxxxxxxxxx To: obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [obol] ID of waterbird in Nehalem? Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 09:36:47 -0700 Hello OBOLers, Saturday David and I visited the Nehalem Wastewater Treatment Ponds during a break in the weather; we found lots of female Mallards with their teenagers in tow, and there was one single bird all alone, didn't look like a Mallard but we were too far away to get a good look. However, we did get a distant photo, and now that we've seen it closer up we're trying to figure it out. Any ideas? To me it looks like it might be a Red-Necked Grebe, a young one or female, although it's not the typical time for them to be here. Body shape, color, bill shape are what I'm using for that possible ID. I hope this link works, I'm still using Windows XP and having a few issues. <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/morey_shots/14563907173/"; title="Nehalem water bird cropped-1 by hobbsmorey, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5503/14563907173_f4eae895b1.jpg"; width="500" height="400" alt="Nehalem water bird cropped-1"></a> Thanks, Sandi Morey, NE Portland typically