I guess what I mean is one expects the first birds in early September, the previously early September bird was on 4 September. That said there are several July and early August records of failed breeders, non-breeders, whatever. If one was tracking when birds normally show up, I think it would be fair to say the 31 August is the earliest (disregarding July or early August birds that show up irregularly and definitely not every year in Coos) one would EXPECT to see the first birds. I like to have such information to, for instance, gather whether a flock of Dunlin reported say, in mid-August, was a legit sighting or not (probably not). Such info is useful, especially to beginning birders who are trying to figure out what shorebirds are in front of them, say in July or early August... Say no more Tim! Tim R Coos Bay ________________________________ From: DJ Lauten and KACastelein <deweysage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: obol@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 2:09 PM Subject: [obol] Re: Coos & Curry Birds- Labor Day weekend On 9/4/2013 11:12 AM, Tim Rodenkirk wrote: > > > > >Bandon Marsh > > >Dunlin 1 ad- THIS IS NOW THE EARLIEST FALL RECORD FOR COOS, not including a few out of place summer birds. > > I'm wondering what the difference between Fall record and summer record is, and means? Aren't summer records after say 1 July "fall" migrants? When does "fall" start? It's not 21 Sept.???? We had a Dunlin a few weeks ago.....is that fall or summer? Cheers Dave Lauten