Wayne wrote: Your comments about post-breeding dispersal of juveniles is partly what I had in mind. If there is more info on distinguishing juvenile Bell’s from juvenile Sagebrush Sparrow than the illustrations in Sibley, could you pass that on? Adult Sagebrush Sparrows have narrow white edgings on their tails and Bell’s do not (see Sibley’s inflight illustrations). Do you know whether juvs. also differ in this? In addition to post-breeding dispersal of juveniles, mid-late summer sometimes is a period of northward or northwestward dispersal of dryland adults of quite a few species. So a Rogue Valley adult Bell’s Sparrow in August could be a possibility too. Back in the 1970s I knew some graduate students who were studying bird populations on the Hanford Reserve in SE Washington. They reported influxes, presumably from the south, of a variety of sage birds that they associated with “heat low” weather conditions. Their study plots would see big increases in numbers of things like Sage Thrashers, Gray Flycatchers, Ash-throated Flycatchers, during the periods that daytime temperatures were going above 100F. I think this phenomenon does not get widely recognized because we do not bird as much in open country in those weather c onditions. I think that Sibley's illustrations of the juv. Bell's and Sagebrush Sparrow capture the differences pretty well. His juv. Sagebrush Sparrow seems to be spot on based on my experiences with and the photos that I've taken of this age class. I've not seen a Bell's Sparrow of any age (no armchair lifer for me), so what I've been able to learn about telling them apart has come from the study of many photos and illustrations. As mentioned in my post from last night, this past week a juv. Bell's Sparrow (presumed based on location) was found in Humboldt County. Rob Fowler circulated photos of that bird. It is decidedly more gray headed and seems to have heavier streaking than a juvenile Sagebrush Sparrow. Sibley's illustration of juvenile Bell's seems perhaps a bit too dark overall and the streaking doesn't look quite right, but it looks very much like the Humboldt bird. Juvenile passerines change quickly (preformative molt starts very soon after they leave the nest), hence trying to capture a useful representation of the typical juvenile has to present a challenge for illustrators. I don't know about the white outer tail feathers, but I suspect that juv. Bell's are like their parents in lacking white in the tail. Post-breeding movements of dryland nesting birds are, as Wayne indicates, poorly understood. Some species move upslope (warblers, vireos, flycatchers), some move across the Cascade divide to the wetter west slopes (most notably sapsuckers), and others move north. Herons and egrets are well-known for dispersing north after the breeding season. The need to molt is likely a driving force in most of these movements, as molting is energy and fuel (food) intensive. Birds have to find a source of abundant food while they molt and fuel up for migration. This explains the massive build-up of birds at Lake Abert every year. Most of the species that amass at Lake Abert do not breed there. Wilson's Phalaropes (mostly juveniles), which gather by the hundreds of thousands, molt out of juvenile plumage July-August before undertaking their first southbound migration. The brine fly hatch occurs just when the phalaropes and other species need food the most, which creates the spectacle that increasing numbers of birders are enjoying. Dave IronsPortland, OR