Thanks to all for your comments: I would have assumed that Martins were pretty much done migrating by now, since usually the first ones appear in the state by mid-April, and we are now toward end of May. The location where this flock was, was at least 10 miles from the nearest breeding location, which would be near Falls City. Into the coast range beyond Falls City there are a few scattered snags where they have been known to breed, but I seriously doubt that a survey of ALL these would tally 40 birds. (Eric Horvath may need to weigh in on that figure since he did a survery some 10-12 years ago or so). It seems that normally they would be at their nest sights at the present time? At FRR, it would seem more obvious that there could be a good number congregated since they breed there. So my question (to Wayne and others) is, if they were not still migrating, what were they doing? I would agree that, with what appears (ed?) to be an early spring, more birds of most species may have shown earlier than usual, which would seem to complicate the info. If they were still looking for snags in the Coast Range, and got deterred by the inclement weather, why would they flock up and head into the valley where they don't nest anyway? If they were not migrants, another explanation seems difficult to come by. It all makes for an interesting discussion. Bill Tice: Birding - The best excuse for getting outdoors, and avoiding chores.