dearest friends: sometimes the right thing to do is to quit and try again we will be closing this list serve down the free list serve we are working with has lots of options and i am insuffieicntly educated at this point to take advantage of them all for your benefit. once i understand them better we'll offer you to join, if you like difference is our second approach will include: 1) you will be asked once if you want to opt in (if not you will get nothing) 2) there will be an unsubscribe option which allows you to drop out from each msg 3) the reply feature will be set so that the default is not the entire list if you are sure you want to be on the next list, you can write me (dont bother to reply to this msg, because the list will not exist after you receive it - you need to write to me at paxus@xxxxxxxxxxxx) i am sad that this has been a hassle we'll do better next time paxus at Twin Oaks 23 icy 02 " When I see an adult on a bicycle I have hope for the human race." George Orwell http://www.twinoaks.org/members/paxus/index.htm