. . Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:53:33 -0800 From: Richard Hake <rrhake@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: Net-Gold@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: AERA-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Net-Gold@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [Net-Gold] Changing the Culture of Science Education at Research Universities #3 . . If you reply to this long (17 kB) post please don't hit the reply button unless you prune the copy of this post that may appear in your reply down to a few relevant lines, otherwise the entire already archived post may be needlessly resent to subscribers. . **************************************************** . ABSTRACT: In response to "Changing the Culture of Science Education at Research Universities" [Hake (2011a)], PhysLrnR's Bill Goffe wrote (paraphrasing) "I agree that teaching should be more valued, but economists Martin & Gillen (M&G) (2011) do a nice job in explaining why this seems unlikely in the near future." . M&G observe that there's a thriving market for senior scholars in higher education but not for world-class teachers. The reason for this imbalance, they suggest, is that "potential employers of professors have sufficient information to judge scholarly productivity, but virtually no information that would allow them to judge teaching productivity." . In commenting on M&G's article, "teaching postdoc" wrote: (paraphrasing): "How do we know when a teacher is 'good'? Students know if they like or dislike a teacher; if they enjoyed or did not enjoy a course. But accurately assessment one's own progress is a very difficult task, and there's no evidence that course evaluations are meaningful. Really, one needs pre- and post-testing to quantitatively compare student abilities at the beginning vs end of the course. Almost no one actually does that. . . . . Scholarship is measured in papers and citations. Teaching is not measured at all." . Regarding pre/post testing, Bill Goff asked: ". . . . do any physicists use their students' Force Concept Inventory (FCI) results when on the job market?" As far as I know, the answer is (thankfully) "NO." If pre/post testing were to be used for high-stakes summative purposes, then Campbell's and Dunkenfeld's Laws [Hake (2010a,b)] would probably rear their ugly heads so as to distort and corrupt the testing. . *************************************************** . In response to my post "Changing the Culture of Science Education at Research Universities" [Hake (2011a)], PhysLrnR's economist Bill Goffe (2011) wrote my insert at ". . . . . [[insert]]. . . . ."]: . "I agree 100% that teaching should be more valued, but 'Holy Grail of Reform'. . . . . [[by economists Martin & Gillen (2011) in "Inside Higher Ed"]. . . . . does a nice job of explaining why this seems unlikely in the near future. . Martin & Gillen wrote [bracketed by lines "M&G-M&G-M&G-. . . . ."]: . M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G . There is a thriving market for senior scholars in higher education - a market that brings plenty of release time from teaching, along with high salaries and fame. There is no corresponding market for world-class teachers. . No one in higher education becomes famous or well-compensated for exceptional teaching. How could this happen, since the students, parents, and taxpayers (those who pay the bills) have only a passing interest in research, but an abiding and personal stake in high-quality teaching?. . . . . . . . . . . .why [do] we have a market for scholars and no market for teachers? . The critical reason why one market exists and the other does not is the information available to potential employers. Potential employers of professors have sufficient information to judge scholarly productivity, but virtually no information that would allow them to judge teaching productivity. . Institutions seeking to hire exceptional scholars can identify productive scholars at other institutions. . . . . . information comes from the journals where the scholar publishes, books they've written, citations by other scholars, and their reputation among other scholars in the field. None of this information exists for gifted teachers, and as a consequence, a potential employer seeking gifted teachers cannot identify those candidates . . . . . . . If the potential employer makes an offer to a candidate and that candidate is in fact a gifted teacher, the home institution will make a counter offer. If the candidate is in fact a poor or average teacher, the home institution will not make a counter offer and the potential employer is likely to hire a poor or average teacher. This leads to what economists call "adverse selection" . . . . . . [[<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_selection>]]. . . . . for job offers to potential teachers. Since the prospective employer knows it is likely to hire a poor or average teacher rather than an exceptional teacher, it does not make offers designed to attract exceptional teachers, and the market for exceptional teachers does not exist. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The "holy grail" of higher education reform should be the creation of a market for exceptional college teachers. The vigorous market for scholars provides the keys to this project. First, the information required does not have to be perfect in order for the market to be efficient (the information about scholars is not perfect). Second, the source of this information should be independent of the individual teachers, their home institutions, and their potential employers. There is great hope that the Web will be the requisite outside platform. Intercollegiate teaching tournaments are another possibility, as are digital course offerings. . M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G-M&G . On 12 March 2011 16:00-0800 there had been 11 lively comments at <http://bit.ly/fwlVXt> on Martin & Gillen's (2011) piece, of which the last three were by the anonymous: . (a) "Mr Punch" who wrote: "I think this is right - if there were credible metrics for teaching, there would be a market; and I believe that if there were such a market, the buyers would include some institutions that currently hire based largely on research." . (b) "Chalkface" who commented: "I agree that teaching should be valued more in higher education. However, one problem that I see is excellence in teaching based heavily on student evaluations, which are horrendously subjective and riddled with irrelevant opinion, and often miss the mark on excellent teaching." . (c) "teaching postdoc" who stated: "I agree with Chalkface and Mr. Punch - having a market for teaching first requires that people know good teaching (and bad teaching) when they see it, and I don't think most people do. How do we know when a teacher is 'good'? Students know if they like or dislike a teacher; if they enjoyed or did not enjoy a course. But accurately assessment one's own progress is a very difficult task, and there's no evidence that course evaluations are meaningful. Really, one needs pre- and post-testing to quantitatively compare student abilities at the beginning vs end of the course. Almost no one actually does that. Certainly, departments do not do that systematically for all teachers. Scholarship is measured in papers and citations. Teaching is not measured at all." . Regarding the pre/post testing advocated by "teaching postdoc," Bill Goffe (2011) asked: ". . . . do any physicists use their students' Force Concept Inventory (FCI) results when on the job market?" . As far as I know, the answer is (thankfully) "NO". In my opinion, pre/post testing or posttesting alone with "concept inventories" <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_inventory> such as the FCI [Hestenes et al. (1992)] and other concept inventories - see National Academies (2008) - should be used only for FORMATIVE evaluation to *improve* courses or teaching, not SUMMATIVE to *evaluate* courses or teachers. . If pre/post testing were to be used for high-stakes summative purposes, then Campbell's and Dunkenfeld's Laws [Hake (2010a,b)] would probably rear their ugly heads so as to distort and corrupt the testing. . These two laws are: . "If a thing is worth winning, it's worth cheating for" . . . . . . . . . . . Dukenfield's Law [Kleiman (2010)] . "The more any quantitative social indicator is used for social decision making, the more subject it will be to corruptionpressures and the more apt it will be to distort and corrupt the social processes it is intended to monitor". . . . . . . . . . .Campbell's Law [Campbell(1976)] . . Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University Honorary Member, Curmudgeon Lodge of Deventer, The Netherlands President, PEdants for Definitive Academic References which Recognize the Invention of the Internet (PEDARRII) <rrhake@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake> <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi> <http://HakesEdStuff.blogspot.com> <http://iub.academia.edu/RichardHake> . . . REFERENCES [All URL's accessed on 12 March 2011; some shortened by <http://bit.ly/>.] . Campbell, D.T. 1976. "Assessing the impact of planned social change," in G. Lyons, ed. , "Social research and public policies: The Dartmouth/OECD Conference, " Chapter 1, pp. 3-45. Dartmouth College Public Affairs Center, p. 35; online as a 196 kB pdf at <http://bit.ly/hMsyUr>. . Campbell, D.T. 1979. "Assessing the impact of planned social change," in "Evaluation and Program Planning" Volume 2, Issue 1, an abstract is online at <http://bit.ly/aQ4iJU>. For a memoriam to the late Donald Campbell see <http://bit.ly/bxyGfR>: "He was the founder of the domain of 'evolutionary epistemology' <http://bit.ly/a9XGKV > (a label he created), in which he generalized Popper's falsificationist philosophy of science to knowledge processes at all biological, psychological and social levels." See also <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_T._Campbell>. . Goffe, B. 2011. "Re: Changing the Culture of Science Education at Research Universities," PhysLrnR post of 5 Mar 2011 01:43:09-0500; online at <http://bit.ly/hmSeTM>. To access the archives of PhysLnR one needs to subscribe :-(, but that takes only a few minutes by clicking on <http://bit.ly/beuikb> and then clicking on "Join or leave the list (or change settings)." If you're busy, then subscribe using the "NOMAIL" option under "Miscellaneous." Then, as a subscriber, you may access the archives and/or post messages at any time, while receiving NO MAIL from the list! . Hake, R.R. 2010a. "Dukenfield's Law & Campbell's Law," online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/9FWI9n>. Post of 14 Aug 2010 20:52:11-0700 to AERA-L , EvalTalk, NetGold, & PhysLrnR. . Hake, R.R. 2010b. "Dukenfield's Law & Campbell's Law #2," online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/d3FrI8>. Post of 22 Aug 2010 15:31:31-0700 to AERA-L and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post were also transmitted to various discussion lists and are also on my blog "Hake'sEdStuff" at <http://bit.ly/f9Maey> with a provision for comments. . Hake, R.R. 2011a. "Changing the Culture of Science Education at Research Universities," online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/eqw6ow>. Post of 4 Mar 2011 08:04:14-0800 to AERA-L, Net-Gold, and PhysLrnR. The abstract and link to the complete post were transmitted to various discussion lists and are also online on my blog "Hake'sEdStuff" at <http://bit.ly/hnkAuJ> with a provision for comments. . Hake, R.R. 2011b. "Changing the Culture of Science Education at Research Universities #2," online on the OPEN! AERA-L archives at <http://bit.ly/gZSf8W>. Post of 6 Mar 2011 15:16:50 -0800 to AERA-L & Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post were transmitted to various discussion lists and are also online on my blog "Hake'sEdStuff" at <http://bit.ly/dYSgww> with a provision for comments. . Halloun, I., R.R. Hake, E.P. Mosca, & D. Hestenes. 1995. "Force Concept Inventory (1995 Revision)," online (password protected) at <http://bit.ly/b1488v>, scroll down to "Evaluation Instruments." Currently available in 20 languages: Arabic, Chinese, Croatian, Czech, English, Finnish, French, French (Canadian), German, Greek, Italian, Japanese, Malaysian, Persian, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Slovak, Swedish, & Turkish. . Hestenes, D., M. Wells, & G. Swackhamer. 1992. "Force Concept Inventory," The Physics Teacher 30(3): 141-158; online as a 100 kB pdf at <http://bit.ly/foWmEb > [but without the test itself]. For the 1995 revision see Halloun et al. (1995). . Kleiman, M. 2010. "Dukenfield's Law of Incentive Management," The Atlantic, 13 August 2010; online at <http://bit.ly/bsRokM>. . Labov, J.B., S.R. Singer, M.D. George, H.A. Schweingruber, & M.L. Hilton. 2009. "Effective Practices in Undergraduate STEM Education Part 1: Examining the Evidence," CBE Life Sci Educ 8(3): 157-161; online at <http://bit.ly/cRc0JC>. This article includes a discussion of the "Workshop on Linking Evidence and Promising Practices in STEM Undergraduate Education" [National Academies (2008)]. . Martin, R. & A. Gillen. 2011. " 'Holy Grail' of Reform" Inside Higher Ed, 28 January; online at <http://bit.ly/h1NTd6>. . National Academies. 2008. "Workshop on Linking Evidence and Promising Practices in STEM Undergraduate Education": (a) introductory sessions are online at <http://bit.ly/ciNwjQ>; (b) commissioned Papers are online at <http://bit.ly/ceg1Bx>. See also the commentary on this workshop by Labov et al. (2009). . .