My observations are that magniferalis is darker overall and the black band on the abdomen is usually more well-defined. There is no scientific basis for these observations but when I first started doing moths and needed help with most of my identifications, anything that was ID'd as magniferalis had these traits. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011 http://tinyurl.com/Night-Creatures http://www.finishflagfarms.com ________________________________ From: Bob Perkins <perkybear@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ncsc-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: [ncsc-moths] Re: Palpita Paul's question and Ken's reply caused me to dig through my photos of Palpita and to look for information. Here's what I found in BugGuide and in Covell: From BugGuide: Arsaltealis: Adult: forewing light grayish-brown with heavy dark speckling; irregular dark patches in median and basal areas; hindwing similar but lacks large dark patches Magniferalis: Speckled gray wings, black median band, robust body. Other Palpita, at least the few species found on the Internet, are much paler From Covell, p. 401: Magniferalis: Wings pearly translucent gray with black speckling and diffuse median band. HW brownish. The descriptions don't provide much guidance. When I sorted through my photos, I came up confused. Here are four samples: ------------------------ Bob Perkins Woodlawn, Virginia Historian and General Outdoorsman