[nama] Re: Automation
- From: "S. Massy" <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: nama@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 17:31:42 -0400
Hello,
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 10:22:10AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 02:43:51PM -0400, S. Massy wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I know I'm throwing another bone in a very busy stew here, but I figured
> > it was cool to start talking about it. One feature which is ubiquitous
> > in most DAW but yet to be present in nama (believe it or not, the list
> > of major DAW features lacking in nama is getting pretty small) is
> > parameter automation. Now the automation itself would not be too hhard
> > to achieve, since nama already uses -klg to control fades on tracks. The
> > main question is, how do we expose this to the end-user in a coherent,
> > intuitive way?
>
> > Here iss a mess of thoughts:
>
> I'll just transfer them to another pot for a moment. :-)
>
> First of all, thanks for adding in the use case, really
> helps clarify things, to be able to imagine how these
> new capabilities will be used.
Yes, I started writing that e-mail last night but feared it would be
hopelessly obscure. So I slept on it and came up with a real-world
example to try and make myself comprehensible. In more involved
productions, engineers tend to think not just in terms of balance, but
also in terms of balance over time (hence my
intttro/verse/chorus/verse/chorus/outro example; could have come up with
a bridge, but why bother).
>
> Now to take some potatoes out of your pot:
>
> > - Drums
> > - We're after a stylistic effect here, so when the chorus comes
> > around, we want to ramps up the compression and increase the volume.
> > For that purpose, we increase the Ratio parameter on the compressor
> > and the volume during the drum fill introducing the chorus and set
> > them back to normal when the second verse comes around, and then
> > repeat the operation for the second chorus.
>
>
> To we'll need to have two effect... ah let's say "effect macros",
> (sounds powerful) in this case pairs the parameters (compressor ratio, volume)
> one for the 'normal' drum sound, one for the 'forward'
> sound.
>
> We set 'normal' to begin with. Then run through the song. Coming toward the
> chorus, we stop the transport (to locate a spot) and say something like
> 'start pauto using normal'. After a bar or so, we stop
> again. 'finish pauto using forward'. Nama would create the
> marks and generate curves.
Something like that, yes. Then we'd repeat the operation to go back to
normal at the end of the chorus.
>
> Later we want to move the curve back a bit.
>
> n> list pauto normal
> start1 normal 18.5 seconds
> finish2 forward 20.1 seconds
>
> n> pauto1 move start1 -1
>
> We could also give the user the option to specify
> positions using marks, which the user can move.
I would prefer this. In general, I would like it to work much the same
way as fades, with the option of setting the curve from, to, or between
marks.
Cheers,
S.M.
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