Doug, I will certainly bring my computer if you bring your lava lamp. Norton Utilities should have been the model for anyone trying for the perfect defrager. TechTool is not it. TechTool Pro sells, I am sure, only because there is nothing else on the market. Micromat offered an upgrade yesterday; I hoped to find a reworked defrager. It didn't happen. Doug, if you are exasperated enough, pop on in. Bring a book and you lava lamp Karl ----------------------------------------------------------- For information about MUGLO: http://www.freewebs.com/muglo -----------------------------------------------------------