It would be a security nightmare to keep the web portals secure, in my view.
But, it would be convenient.
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From: "Lucy Edmonds" <lucyjean11@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 1:18 PM
Subject: [msb-alumni] Re: New voting machines a challenge for Michigan's
blind voters Paul Egan
I agree with you, Casey, and I have thought that for a long time. I would be a little concerned about security though, as everything is so easily hacked these days.
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On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:15 PM, kcmm54@xxxxxxxxx wrote:i
I think in this day and age they should have online voting.
And remember Jesus loves you.
On Aug 9, 2018, at 13:24, Tony Handley <tonydrummer@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I remember in 2016, when I voted at Atwood elementary, the machine was broken down. When I got there they had to send one person from each party in to the booth with me to make sure that the other party didn’t cheat. I had to wait an extra 30 minutes for two people to show up to help. This system totally sucks. They need to get machines that are going to work. Thank you Fred for sending me this article. I will definitely be in touch with Our county clerk before November. Take care and God bless you. Tony 1978
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On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:27 PM, Steve <pipeguy920@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Fred,
This is disturbing -- actually the thing that bothers me most is that the ballot is different from the other ballots.
Question: Some of the New Dominion machines have alternate methods for entering your choices when the AVS mode is selected (Assisted vote).
Which methodology did you use? I understand they have joysticks available that can be plugged into the tablet, or that it is also possible to use the screen with audio feedback.
The last time I voted, they still had the Automark at my precinct, but that was early last year, I think.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Wurtzel" <f.wurtzel@xxxxxxx>
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Subject: [msb-alumni] New voting machines a challenge for Michigan's blind voters Paul Egan
Hello,
Tomorrow is our Michigan Primary Election. I sure hope everyone makes maximum effort to vote. We as blind folks have worked hard to secure a secret and accessible voting system. Now, we need to make our voices heard.
Since 2002 we have had accessible voting machines. The first generation machines have been replaced. All counties have new voting machines. Most blind folks are familiar with the old Auto Mark machine. The Auto mark was the only machine which was used in our state until this past November. It had some glitches, but, for the most part, it worked pretty well and definitely afforded a secret ballot.
Beginning in November in Michigan we now have 3 different machines determined by which county you live in. The majority of counties chose the Dominion machine. A vfew others chose the Hart machine. Around 10 or 12 chose the ES&S machine which is the successor of the Auto Mark and still works quite well.
In Ingham County we use the Dominion Machine. In November I went to vote. To my dismay, I could not vote a secret ballot because I could not figure out how to use the machine and the poll worker, who was very nice and helped as much as possible, could not coach me through it. Finally, I turned on the screen and lost my secret ballot, but I did vote.
I went to Susan Aten, the Clerk of Lansing Township, where I live. She sat with me for more than an hour and, still, we could not make the machine work with the screen off. I, along with a lot of other blind folks, talked to a lot of county and state folks, along with others to help fix the problem. The week before last, I went, again, to Clerk Aten's office with a reporter named Paul Egan from the Detroit Free Press to see if the machine would work. This time, it did work. It worked in a very clunky and complicated way. I believe that anyone who reads this post has the ability to figure it out. If you don't please contact your local Clerk's office and let them know. These folks are very dedicated to helping everyone vote and will listen to you. We also ought to strive to push Dominion and Hart to improve the machine controls and instructions to make them simple and fast to use.
Here is the article by Paul Egan which was in today's Detroit Free Press about my experience here in Ingham County which uses the Dominion machine. I do not wish to deter anyone from voting. Just the opposite, I want to encourage everyone to vote. I just wish to alert you to the fact that the new machines are different and for those of us who use the Dominion machine, it will be a learning curve. I hope to help organize some training sessions for blind voters before November and I encourage you to make an effort to learn the new machine and to teach others how to use them Please let me know if you wish to help organize a training session. .
This article is a pretty accurate and good synopsis of the situation. Paul spent a long time watching and asking very insightful questions. If you are in one of the counties that use the ES&S machine, fear not, it works pretty much like the old Auto Mark. It has been improved to eliminate the ballot jamming problem that the Auto Mark had.
PLEASE VOTE!!!
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New voting machines a challenge for Michigan's blind voters Paul Egan , Detroit Free Press New voting equipment purchased by many Michigan counties, includingWayne, Oakland and Ingham, is difficult for blind people to use without help, advocates say. Wochit Fred Wurtzel, who is blind, attempts to use new votingequipment in Lansing Township. (Photo: Paul Egan/Detroit Free Press) Buy Photo LANSING TWP. ' When millions of Michigan residents go to the polls in Tuesday'sprimary election, many will'be be using new voting equipment for the first time. Most probably won't notice much'difference. But much of the new equipment' needed to upgrade aging voting machines around the state and paid for with $40 million in federal and state money ' is expected to present challengesfor blind voters. It's estimated about 221,000 Michigan residents have a visual disability, based on a 2015 survey. Until 2002, when the federal Help AmericaVote Act became law, most blind people had to tell their vot
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hoices to a sighted person and trust that person to accurately mark their ballot for them.For more than a decade, blind Michigan voters such as Fred Wurtzel have used an'AutoMark Voter Assist Terminal, which had a touch screen and a keypad markedwith Braille ' among other features ' to help blind voters cast secret ballots without having to ask for help. New Dominion Voting Systems equipment 'now in use in most Michigan counties, including Wayne and Ingham, but not'Oakland or Macomb' also has voter assist terminals. But the keypads aren't markedwith Braille and some of the instructions blind voters receive over headphones reference buttons by what color they are, not where on the handset theyare located. That's not helpful to someone who can't see. Wurtzel, who is second vice president of the National Federation of the Blind in Michigan, saidit's also not easy to figure out how to turn on a privacy screen that would keep others from seeing his'ballot while he fills it out. And'h
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und manyof the verbal instructions ' received through a headset ' difficult to hear or otherwise confusing. Casting a secret ballot "is a fundamental right thatwe all expect," said Wurtzel.' Most everybody takes it for granted. When he first tried the new Dominion voting equipment, Wurtzel felt like he'd "beenthrown back into second-class citizenship," he said. More: New voting machines coming to Michigan: Here's how they're different More: Michigan Primary2018: Voter guide for Macomb, Wayne, Oakland counties He has since been able to experiment further with the new voter assist terminal, through the cooperationof Lansing Township Clerk Susan Aten. Wurtzel now believes he will be able to use the equipment to cast a secret ballot without assistance. For blind peopleencountering the new equipment for the first time, "it's going to be a big challenge," Wurtzel said. Still, "I want to encourage everyone to do it, becauseunless we exercise our right to vote, we're not going to be tak
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eriously. Michigan counties got to choose between three different types of new votingequipment ' Dominion, Election Systems & Software (ES&S), or Hart InterCivic. Wurtzel said he and about 100 other blind people got to try voter assistterminals from all three companies during a 2016 mock election the state staged in advance of the procurement process. He said the blind testers were unanimousin telling the state they preferred the ES&S equipment, which was selected by Macomb and fewer than a dozen other Michigan counties. The ES&S terminalswere closest to the AutoMark system blind people were used to, he said. The Hart InterCivic equipment ' chosen by Oakland and about 10 other counties 'was even harder to use than the Dominion equipment, Wurtzel said. Dominion and Hart InterCivic did not respond to emails seeking comment. Fred Woodhams,a spokesman for the Michigan Secretary of State's Office, said the devices from all three manufacturers are federally certified and compliant wit
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eAmericans With Disabilities Act. Some communities began using the new equipment in 2017, he said. "We have heard from some individuals with visual impairmentwho expressed concerns about the new devices that assist voters with disabilities," Woodhams said. "Some of the people said they preferred the ES&S systemover the devices from the two other vendors, or that they liked the old ES&S Automark device that was used statewide before the election equipment replacement.Still, many people with other types of disabilities "give the new devices high marks," and prefer them to the equipment used in Michigan previously, hesaid. He cited quadriplegia and'severe brain injuries as examples of other disabilities that could be better served by the new equipment. State officials"greatly appreciate their feedback and will take their concerns into account as we work with the vendors to improve the devices," Woodhams said. InghamCounty Clerk Barb Byrum said it's "beyond concerning" that blind vo
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have expressed valid concerns about the new equipment and she has been meetingwith representatives of the blind community in recent months to make changes ' some of which will require federal and state approval. Though the ES&S equipmentscored better than Dominion with respect to blind voters, Byrum said she'd had problems with the level of support ES&S provided for the former equipmentand felt she needed to go with a different vendor. Oakland County Clerk Lisa Brown said Thursday she was not aware the Hart equipment had been ranked lastof the three technologies by blind testers. Most Oakland communities used the new equipment in 2017 elections and "I have not had any complaints," shesaid. "I hope we don't have any problems," Brown said. "I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable voting. Wurtzel said that even after getting throughthe voting process with the Dominion equipment,'he is concerned the ballot he will turn in looks conspicuously different from those that sighted peopl
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ll mark. Though it would mostly only become an issue in the event of a recount where ballots are checked by hand, "this is not a secret ballot'becausemy ballot looks different from everyone else's," he said. In Lansing Township, Aten said the new equipment is less than ideal for blind voters who wantto vote in secret and without assistance' especially during an inevitable learning curve ' but she and her staff will do what they can to try to make thechange as seamless as possible. Aten said she's instructing her election workers ' who aren't blind ' to use the voter assist terminals to vote so therewill be more ballots that look similar to the one Wurtzel uses. Contact Paul Egan: 517-372-8660 or pegan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx. Follow him on Twitter @paulegan4. Detroit Free Press, August 5 2018
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