Thank you, dear Peter. I will, especially after my March 16 St. Patrick’s gig.
Trying to get all my music tracks ready for that has been my main reason for
not jumping into any other sandbox than the one I’m used to, rusty as it is. I
realize the time has come and will act and start learning.
Much appreciation to those who have offered help.
Gudrun
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Gudrun,
I must say that I agree with Chris here. We’ve been using Sonar for the past
many years for our eyes On Success podcast but figured that it couldn’t last
forever. So I’ve been testing the waters with other DAWS.
When I saw the marvelous work Steve Spamer was doing with Sampitude and all the
hard work and dedication he has devoted to it, I figured I would give
Samplitude a try. I even added braille support for the JAWS Samplitude
scdripts.
Unfortunately, each time I used Samplitude something strange would happen.
Plus I didn’t find the interface particularly intuitive. Either me or the
program always seemed to be running into some kind of issue.
So several months ago I decided to give Reaper a spin. I was dissuaded from
trying Reaper because I had heard that it had a steep learning curve and one
had to be a geek to enjoy and/or use it.
Anyway, I must say that my experience with Reaper has been superb. The Osara
add on which James The put together makes Reaper incredibly accessible. Jim
Snowbarger also put together some JAWS scripts to add some additional features
for JAWS users since most of James’ work is geared to be optimal with NVDA.
I think that the reason people think Reaper may be difficult to use is that
there are so many options and ways of doing things to suit one’s particular
work style. Sorting that out can take some time. Once you get that out of the
way, however, I find Reaper incredibly easy to use and very powerful. In fact
we gave up using Sonar for Eyes On Success and do a lot of our editing now
using Reaper.
One advantage Reaper has over Samplitude is that Reaper exposes a complete API
for developers to hook into. This is what Osara relies on. Thus with Osara
one’s access to reaper is almost totally independent of the UI. Thus color
changes, fonts, organizations of elements, window ID’s etc. do not affect how
Reaper works as would happen with JAWS scripts that do no rely on getting
access to the API.
Anyway, I encourage you to give Reaper a try. There is a very friendly
community on the “Reaper Without Peepers” e-mail forum that can help you get
started. They also put together a Reaper Accessibility Wiki with lots of
little articles on how to perform simple tasks. In addition the Reapers
Without Peepers (RWP) community hosts a shared Dropbox folder with lots of
audio tutorials, accessible plug-ins, etc.
Hope that helps.
--pete
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Subject: [freelists-midimag] Re: JSonar problem
Hi Gudrun,
I’m so sorry, I can’t tell you the answer for this, it’s been so long now, when
I was using Sonar the installer worked so I never really had to get my hands
dirty so to speak!
I know exactly what you mean about hanging on to Sonar, I was exactly the same,
until a hard drive failure forced me to move from Windows 7 to Windows 10.
I initially tried Samplitude but I did not find it very intuitive, and also it
meant having to use JAWS exclusively, not that the cost was prohibitive for me,
but after buying a full version of Samplitude and upgrading my JAWS to a
version that worked on Windows 10 it was an expensive admission price.
I instead tried Reaper despite folk saying it was difficult to learn, I found I
was up and running within a morning, the concept was different to Sonar
admittedly and there was a bit of a learning curve involved in the item based
concept, but the community support and resources are very strong.
I also like that it is very resource light and probably works best with NVDA
which is also low on cpu.
Anyway, I’m not here to sell Reaper 😊, but I hope someone else might be able to
provide some guidance on the manual installation process.
Best,
Chris
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Sent: 07 March 2021 15:37
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Subject: [freelists-midimag] Re: JSonar problem
Hi Chris, and thanks so much for your reply. I know, Sonar is fading away, and
I know I must eventually go elsewhere. I have both Reaper and Samplitude, and
I’m sadly untutored in both (for lack of time). I’ve always been thinking “I’ll
get serious about this some time,” but there has always been projects to
finish, my radio shows, song accompaniments to create, and when projects call,
you keep going, even if the tools are rusty.
Question: should I simply remove the jsonar files out of my settings\enu, or is
there another uninstall of jsonar I should do to attempt a reinstallation?
Gudrun
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Subject: [freelists-midimag] Re: JSonar problem
Hi,
I’m not sure if this is still relevant, but I will paste below a reply to a
similar question from a thread posted some time back which I kept in a text
file.
Sadly at the end of the day Sonar is just no longer supported, and stability is
not what it was, I moved over to Reaper myself about 18 months ago and have not
really looked back, anyway here is the text.
Quote:
Hi,
The last installer can be got from:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cn5bjkoxfidwxw6/jsonar8.53.exe?dl=0
If you can’t run this (some later Jaws versions won’t work with it), you can
download the files to manually install it from:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rlu1iiu323zwhp6/jsonar853.zip?dl=0
Hope this helps.
Tim
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Subject: [freelists-midimag] JSonar problem
Hi gang: I’ve been using Sonar 8.5 producer. I have JAWS 17, 19, and 20 on my
DAW. Of late, things have been not working so great. JSonar was working fairly
well on JAWS 17 and 19, but not on 20.
I tried reinstalling jSonar 8.53.
I get stuck in the language dialog:
"Please select JAWS language for which to install JSonar scripts."
JAWS language dropdown is empty with no selections available. Tabbing once
brings me to another dialog with a dropdown, and here, I can select English. If
I hit [okay], I get an error message: Please select JAWS language for which to
install JSonar scripts." And there you have it. I get stuck in that loop.
Any help appreciated.
Gudrun
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