Hello list, I was just moving some items around on my doc, on my Mac that is, Using the command option left and right arrows that somebody suggested previously on the list. I had forgotten all about this until just now, and wondered if it would help me win the battle with moving items around in the reminders table in the reminders app. I had tried dragging, Using both voiceover and most downloads up commands, With no success. The only thing that seem to work was to cut and paste items, this sometimes worked but always dropped the item you pasted to the bottom of the list. So, I just tried using command option up and down arrows to move items, and what do you know, it worked. It's not quite as effective as how you can drag stuff in the app on iPhone, as focus doesn't stay with the item you're moving. But the item does move. I'm not getting the handy position announcements like you do when you move items on the dock using command option left or right arrow, but it seems to be more effective then cut and paste. When you add a new reminder, it is automatically at the bottom of the list, and this allows you to march up to the top if you want. If this is old hat to you, just ignore my ignorance. If this is new to you, hope the tip helps. Does anyone know if this works in other tables, like perhaps playlists in iTunes? Ian> > Click on the link below to go to our homepage. > http://www.icanworkthisthing.com > > Manage your subscription by using the web interface on the link below. > //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover > > Users can subscribe to this list by sending email to > macvoiceover-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by logging into the Web > interface at //www.freelists.org/list/macvoiceover >