[macvoiceover] Re: Fwd:Re: Password help!: How to erase

  • From: Cheryl Homiak <cah4110@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Macvoiceover Email list <macvoiceover@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:23:32 -0500

I am modifying these instructions from an Apple support article for you.
1. Insert the dvd into the computer. it will show up on the desk top. If there
are two dvds make sure this is install disc 1.
2. Restart your computer. Hold down the c key while the computer reboots. When
you are sure the computer has rebooted and the drive is spinning up, you can
release the c key.

3. I think you have to turn voiceover on once the disk has finished spinning
up. At any rate, if it doesn't start talking, do cmd-fn-5; if that doesn't
work, do cmd-f5 without the fn key. If voiceover isn't loud enough hold down
cmd-ctrl-option and arrow right twice and then up until it is loud enough for
you.
4. The first screen will be a language screen and English should already be
chosen as the default so just do vo-space on continue.
5. Do vo-m to go into menu and over to Utilities and down to disk utility and
do vo-space or enter. This should open disk utility.
6. Select a volume to erase (usually called Macintosh HD). With voiceover this
means interacting with the table and then stopping interacting after selecting
your volume. If you have buttons to chose from instead of a table then you
would do vo-spacwe on the one yhou want.
7. Click (do vo-space on) the Erase tab.
Click Erase... Important: This step will completely erase your hard drive.
A dialog box appears asking if you want to erase the partition: click Erase.
After the partition is erased, choose Quit Disk Utility from the Disk Utility
menu.
This article goes on to explain the rest of the installation and setup.. I am
pasting the link to the full article below for you. The article isn't
specifically adapted for voiceover users though I have put some of those
relevant details into what I wrote above. So if you have further questions,
email again.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht3910

--
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




On Sep 3, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Singing Sparrow <sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Can you give me the steps to use the disc i have just in case i decide to
use that disc instead of getting the dvd from apple please.

On 9/3/2015 2:23 PM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
This is why I am recommending buying the one from the Apple store, which I
think will be 10.6.8. Then there will be no need to do the update process
within Snow Leopard, which you already ended up doing once, up to 10.6.8.
And yes, as I mentioned in an earlier post, it is available if you go online
to the Apple Store. Just type Snow Leopard in the search field there. It
costs $19.99. You can do that first; you don't have to do everything at
once. First get your system straightened out with a new install of Snow
Leopard and then decide about Yosemite at your leisure. If you do not want
to buy the 10.6.8 version of Snow Leopard, and want to install and then
repeat the updte process you just did recently, then I or somebody on this
list will try to give you the instructions for this. Buti think getting Snow
leopard from tha Apple Store makes the most sense at this point.




--
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)




On Sep 3, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Ignasi Cambra <ic4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ic4@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Oh! I didn't follow the thread from the beginning, and for some reason I
thought you didn't have the snow leopard DVD! Yes of course, you could
install Snow Leopard again, and then upgrade. The thing is that from the
point you install from the DVD you will have to upgrade to Snow Leopard
10.6.8 before being able to do anything. This would definitely be the most
time-consuming, but also the easiest.

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On Sep 3, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Singing Sparrow <sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

why notgive me the instructions and let me try it. is there a way i could
use the snow leppard dvd to totally erase the drive and then reinstall
snow leppard and then theupdate to snow leppard and then do the install
of yosemity?

On 9/3/2015 11:53 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
Running Yosemite with only 2 GB of RAM is not ideal, but is still within
apples minimum requirements. Voiceover really doesn't use much memory at
all, so as long as you try not to run many applications at the same time
your system should still run quite smoothly.
The thing is that your situation is actually quite tricky: From OS X
10.6.8 you should be able to download Yosemite from the Mac App Store,
but you won’t be able to install it right away because it looks like
your user account doesn’t have administrator privileges. Even to do a
clean install you will need administrator privileges on that computer in
oder to create a bootable drive that you can use to install Yosemite
from, so there are two options that I can think of:
1. Find someone who knows how to create a bootable USB drive from the
Yosemite installer and who can do it from a computer that’s not yours,
then boot from that drive, erase your hard drive containing the Snow
Leopard installation and install Yosemite.
2. You can always boot into your Mac in Safe Mode and modify the
password for the administrator account on your computer, which is really
quite simple if you are comfortable writing commands in a terminal
window with no voice feedback. This should be possible if whoever gave
you that computer hasn’t activated firmware password protection, which
is very likely. If you manage to change the administrator password you
will be able to install whatever you want and use the computer however
you like. I could try to give you instructions on how to do that, but if
you aren’t familiar with the Unix console environment maybe it’s not the
best idea.
Hope this helps...

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On Sep 3, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Singing Sparrow <
<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

Ok, this is my current set up.
the macbook is a mid 2010 white polly carbon intel core 2 duo 2.4 ghz
processor 2 gigs of ddr3 ram 250 gig hardrive current osx version is
10.6.8 this was updated from the osx version that was installed on the
macbook which was 10.6.3 how could i do a clean install of yosemity
when i would need to know what the user name and password would be to
even do an install of yosemity? according to what i read on a few web
sites about it?

On 9/3/2015 3:18 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
Which version of Snow Leopard do you have installed? If you are on
10.6.8 you would be able to do a clean install of Yosemite if your
computer is able to run it. In that case you would not need the snow
leopard DVD. If you are on a version earlier than 10.6.8 then your
best choice would be to just boot from the DVD, use disk utility to
erase your drive, and follow the instructions to reinstall the system.
That would allow you to set
your own password, which would make it possible for you to update your
computer to 10.6.8, and then
upgrade to Yosemite.
Obviously before doing any of this you should copy any important
information or files in that computer to an external drive. Otherwise
you will just lose everything.

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On Sep 3, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Singing Sparrow <
<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:sunshine@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

If i look and i have the dvd what would be the steps to cleanly do an
install removing everything and making sure that nothing is left
behind?

On 9/3/2015 2:50 AM, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
All the solutions I know of, given that you don't have the install
cds or dvd that came with it, involve booting into safe mood, where
you have to type several lines without any feedback as voiceover
doesn't work. Even if you either erase the current users and reset
it to run the setup assistant again, or just reset the password for
a user, then you have to also fix or delete and restart building the
keychain. I wouldn't recommend this to anybody unless he/she had
excellent typing skills that don't need audible feedback and had
experience with the Mac, especially using terminal. If I was right
there to guide step-by-step or could do it myself, I might do this
and actually have done it on a Mac on one occasion. But honestly,
even if doing this works, you will not have securely erased this
other person's information. What really needs to happen is for you
to completely erase and reinstall your system. The only way I know
of for you to do this would be to purchase the snow leopard dvd from
the Apple Store (not available in the app store; you need to buy a
physical product). You would bring up the dvd for install which can
be explained in more detail once you are doing it but go into disk
utility on the dvd and totally erase your drive first. Then you
would do a clean install via the dvd and would set up your own user
information. Long-term, I think this would be the best solution
though I can understand that you would like a quick fix so you can
go ahead and install Adobe flash player and get on with life, but I
honestly think this approach would benefit you most in the long run.

As for installing Yosemite, first you would need to know if you meet
all the requirements for running Yosemite and have enough memory to
make it a positive experience; I would tend to recommend more memory
than the minimum requirement especially with running voiceover. But
again, trying to install it over your Snow Leopard install is going
to require the password for the administrator. Starting over again
from scratch may seem like a daunting undertaking, but I think that
long-term it would prove to be a better choice than trying to deal
with a system that was given to you with somebody else's information
and setup already on it. Unfortunately, people who want to make
money, or want to help other people, or both, do this way too often:
hand on a computer without fully erasing and reinstalling a clean
system and without even remembering and passing on passwords if for
some reason it cannot be reinstalled by the giver/seller. It's often
a very well-intentioned action, but it often makes things very
difficult for a new user and may even end up discouraging that user
from trying to use a Mac.


Did you post here what your Mac's model is, amount of memory, etc.
It's very possible you could and should eventually install Yosemite
but you would want to know that your system is compatible.

If you need help doing an install and don't already have somebody to
help you, and live in the U.S. and could work over the phone, I
would be glad to help you. You would be welcome to email me offlist
and we could explore whether this would be doable. There are
probably others on the list who would do the same and if you feel
that your best course is to do this as independently as possible, I
know that people on the list will be glad to continue assisting you
via the list. I actually know nothing about your background and
experience and don't at all intend to underestimate your knowledge
and work in this area; i hope my offer does not sound like I am
doing this.


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