[mac4theblind] word count in text edit: was: Fwd: Expressing gratitude from a new user to the Mac and being a Voiceover user
- From: David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 16:26:46 -0500
One thing you mention in the message elow is word count. there is none in text
edit, but here's a link that will show you how to ad it.
http://www.macworld.com/article/151125/2010/05/texteditwordcount.html
On Feb 16, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:
Hi everyone, below is a forwarded message about a somewhat visual thing that
happens in a document when hitting return for a new paragrah. At least for me
from what I've been told when hitting enter at some points in my documents the
curser indents. I have forwarded this message because I don't know how to
respond to James (the developer of Bean) to give him the correct feedback. Also
this is a chance for all you guys to give me suggestions and I can then forward
them onto him to let him know.
Hope you can all help out!
Daniel
Begin forwarded message:
> From: James Hoover <jnrh2001@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Expressing gratitude from a new user to the Mac and being a
> Voiceover user
> Date: 16 February 2012 18:42:06 GMT
> To: Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: James Hoover <jnrh2001@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> Hi Daniel,
>
> Bean 3.0.7 is released, and it has the two new menu items I described.
>
> Command-shift-1 will speak document counts, and command-shift-2 will speak
> some text attributes at the text cursor (font name, size, paragraph
> alignment, line spacing, and indicating list or text table).
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> I've been thinking about your question about the return key, and if I
> understand correctly, the problem is you lose track of exactly where the text
> cursor is located, and so you enter a paragraph break in the wrong place. The
> problem as I see it is that sometimes you have to enter a paragraph break in
> order to create a new paragraph, so you can't disable the key completely; yet
> there is really no practical way for the computer to know when you are
> entering a paragraph break in the wrong place.
>
> If it were just a matter of indentation, you can reduce the Inspector setting
> Indent: First Line to zero, but you might still have a sentence hanging short
> and incomplete above the next line, where it finishes. NOTE: I just tried
> this under Voice Over and the voice over labels for the "stepper controls"
> are wrong. Grrrr. But the text fields are labeled correctly. I will fix this
> next version.
>
> So the real question is: what kind of feedback do you as the user need in
> order to know whether your cursor is at the place in the text that you intend
> for it to be before pressing the return key. Can you not Option-Left Arrow a
> few words, then Option-Right Arrow a few words, which will cause Voice Over
> the speak them aloud, thereby allowing you to know where you are in the text?
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
>
> From: Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: James Hoover <jnrh2001@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2012 12:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Expressing gratitude from a new user to the Mac and being a
> Voiceover user
>
> Hi again James, at present no ideas to suggest feature wise accept that the
> new features sound great! I do However have one question that relates to
> formatting which I hope you can help with.
> Basically when I was doing some homework for college, everything was fine
> with it accept for my typical spelling and grammar this is normal for me so I
> corrected them in my lesson and added some bolded text here and there to
> indicate my different sections. The problem was afterwards. Apparently,
> visually whenever I hit return for a new line or a paragraph I forget which
> one it was exactly it was indenting my writing into the document now and
> then. Of course this isn't important but at some point I will be doing an
> exam which is called Functional Skills Level 2 and for this the document
> needs to be promptly formatted. We that's to say my support worker and my
> teacher for this lesson had a look in the system preferences but they both
> couldn't figure it out nor me for that matter.
> So again to re-litarate, is there a setting in Bean where I can stop it going
> inwards when hitting enter so that visually it doesn't look hard to read?
> I Look forward to your answer.
>
> Daniel / Feb 2012, at 15:51, James Hoover wrote:
>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> Actually, for the next release (not available yet), I have added a couple of
>> menu items designed to increase accessibility.
>>
>> One is a menu item called Edit > Speech > Document Counts which will speak
>> the word, character, and page counts.
>>
>> Another is a menu item called Edit > Speech > Current Attributes, which will
>> speak the current (that is, where the text cursor is) font name and font
>> size, the paragraph alignment, line spacing, and whether a list or text
>> table is active.
>>
>> These will have the following keyboard shortcuts: command-option-1 and
>> command-option-2.
>>
>> These menu items are far enough out of the way that they won't cause a
>> sighted user's brain to explode, but yet they will be always enabled (that
>> is, nothing special to activate) so hopefully they will be easy to find and
>> use for those who will find them useful.
>>
>> I could not think of anything else that wasn't already covered by VoiceOver,
>> but let me know if you have any ideas in this regard.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> James
>>
>> From: Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: jnrh2001@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:58 AM
>> Subject: Expressing gratitude from a new user to the Mac and being a
>> Voiceover user
>>
>> Dear James and Robbin, this is just simply a thank you email.
>> Recently I have brought a Mac Book Pro 13 inch model running Mac OSX Lion as
>> my main birthday/christmas present. I am blind and user a feature called
>> Voiceover which reads aloud the text that's on the screen which are
>> traditionally called Screenreaders. I don't know if you know about Voiceover
>> which is why I gave you a quick description of it.
>> Well to cut a long story short, I am also on various Mac related mailing
>> lists and on there, I 1st heard about your programme. The simple fact of the
>> matter was that I tried out text edit but the one thing it didn't do was to
>> be able to get a word count and to know how many pages a document has which
>> I was able to do on windows.
>> So I don't know if you know that you have made that part of your programme
>> accessable but let me tell you that it is. With a simple keystroke command
>> option G for "get Statistics" or the area to the right of the "edit text"
>> area as voiceover calls it. Using voiceover us blind or visually in pared
>> can get to it with a series of "interacting/uninteracting" methods with
>> Voiceover.
>> In short I find your App simple to use got everything I need and I prefer it
>> compared to Apple's Pages.
>> So I just want to say thank you for all your time in creating this
>> wonderful, simple/easy to use light-weight programme and like I've already
>> said I don't know if its intentional but as far as I can see, it being fully
>> compatible with Voiceover.
>> I hope you continue to develop this programme and if there are any problems
>> about making it accessible with Voiceover then I hope we all as a blind
>> community will inform you about bugs, feature requests etc. We might be
>> small in numbers but I feel we all should be treated equally regardless of
>> any kind of disability.
>>
>> Thanks Again.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>
>
>
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