Mary, it does sound like a bit of user error there. I run multiple macs and
piles of large virtual machines and haven’t hit this one. Of course as I
always state, I might be to thick headed to realize.:)
On Oct 27, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Mary Otten
<motten53@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:motten53@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Well, I only have one Mac, and I don't do any wordprocessing on it. Unless you
count emails, which I don't. Anyway, the only thing I have to say is that I was
shocked to see how much iCloud storage was taken up after I upgraded. I guess
it is the stuff that is on my desktop, MP3 folders of all things. I didn't
expect that to happen. I guess what upsets me about that article, aside from
thinking that the new stuff should be not turned on by default, is that even
after this guy turned it off, it was turned back on after an update. What's up
with that? If I were he, I would be spitting nails. And he obviously is.
Mary
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On Oct 27, 2016, at 3:07 PM, John Panarese
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I’ve had no problems either. I was pretty impressed by how well it worked. I
had my doubts when I first read about it.
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On Oct 27, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Sarah Alawami
<marrie12@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:marrie12@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I personally have no issues with optimized storage. In fact it has saved me a
lot of space. Sure there are some kinks to work out with but for me it's ben a
godsend.
On Oct 27, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Mary Otten
<motten53@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:motten53@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Wow! This sounds like a mess. Good luck to those of you with more than one mac.
Mary
Opinion: Correction, Sierra’s storage management tools are a complete disaster
9to5Mac / Ben Lovejoy
[https://9to5mac.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/macos-sierra-header.jpg?quality=82&strip=all&strip=all&w=1600&h=1000]<https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/27/opinion-sierra-storage-management-system-nightmare/>
I wrote an opinion piece last month entitled macOS Sierra’s new
storage-management tools are a bit of a
mess<https://9to5mac.com/2016/09/21/macos-sierra-manage-storage/>.
Effectively you are switching from a belt-and-braces system, where you have
three copies – one local, a second in your local Time Machine backup, a third
on iCloud – to just a single copy. That’s way too risky for my tastes,
especially given the somewhat flakey reliability record of Apple’s cloud
services.
But Mac users may also be running that same risk without even realizing it.
Because that first option – to ‘Optimize Mac Storage’ for files stored on
iCloud – is on by default in my experience. This means that, for any file on
iCloud, your Mac could be deleting files from your Mac without your knowledge
or permission. That should never be the case.
I was wrong. Sierra’s storage-management aren’t a ‘bit of a mess’ at all:
having just seen what they did to my MacBook Air, seemingly prompted by the
update to 10.12.1, they are a complete and utter disaster …
I have two Macs. My main machine is my heavily-upgraded 17-inch MacBook Pro.
That has 2TB of SSD storage, My MacBook Air is my portable writing machine,
used mostly in coffee shops. I don’t keep many documents on it, so I was using
well under 100GB of its 256GB SSD.
Optimize Mac Storage was switched off on both machines. But it appears that
Sierra doesn’t just switch it on by default when you first upgrade – it also
switches it back on again when you do a dot update. As before, there is no
warning that it has done so.
The first point at which I became aware of the fact was when I sat down to
enjoy a cup of Earl Grey in a coffee shop and work on my SF
book<http://www.benlovejoyauthor.com/2184-beneath-the-steel-city-1/>: my
MacBook Air immediately complained that its SSD was full. “What the … ?” I
asked myself. I checked.
[01-full]
Sure enough, iCloud Drive had completely filled up my SSD. It did this so
thoroughly that I couldn’t even take this screenshot initially, as it told me
there was no room to do so.
I clicked to see the size of the drive. 162GB.
[02-size]
At this point, I was essentially forced to use the Optimize option to try to
get my drive back. So, reluctantly, I clicked the button. Bear in mind here,
too, that I was sitting on the usual rubbish coffee-shop wifi, so this wasn’t a
fast process.
By the end of it, there was a whole lot of bad news.
First, it deleted almost all my documents; it left me with just a handful. Not
the most recently-opened ones, as you’d expect, but completely random ones. By
this point, I again couldn’t take screengrabs, so had to take photos of the
screen for the next part of the adventure.
There very briefly seemed some good news, as it was now showing an iCloud Drive
with less than 1GB in it:
[img_5691]
So, this should have solved my problem. But no, I still had less than 1GB of
free drive space. How? I took a look at Storage again:
[img_5692]
So despite iCloud Drive now being empty, all the documents from it were still
somewhere on my machine. In the Documents folder, right? So I went to see what
was in the Documents folder. Almost nothing. I did a File Info on the Documents
folder to see:
[img_5693]
Nope, not there. So where were all these documents? I went to the top level of
the drive and sorted the folders by folder size. The Mac failed to calculate
their sizes in that view, but doing a File Info on each in turn revealed no
large folders at all.
I opened Disk Utility, and it agreed that the drive was full. I remembered a
trick to purge data: switch Time Machine automatic backups off then do a
restart. I did that. Still no difference.
Repeating the whole optimizing routine and restarting yet again changed
nothing. AirDrop wasn’t playing, so I decided to email myself the two
screengrabs I’d got before the drive was too full even for those. Uh …
[img_5688]
Yes, one of the files Sierra had deleted was my mailbox profile (I use Postbox
rather than Apple Mail). So I couldn’t even open the app! I tried some other
apps. Some opened, others couldn’t, either because Sierra had deleted needed
files or because there was not enough drive space to create the temporary files
needed to open the app.
Effectively, Sierra had turned my MacBook Air into a useless hunk of aluminum.
It was bricked.
That wasn’t all …
A few minutes later, an unpleasant thought occurred to me. On my MacBook Pro,
my entire Documents folder sits inside my Dropbox folder. That allows me to get
access to any document I might need from any device anywhere. On the MacBook
Air, I use a selective folder sync so that I sync only my active writing
folders. Those documents are not stored on iCloud – yet optimizing storage
removed them all from my Air.
Sierra just zapped all my active writing folders, and – as they are inside a
Dropbox folder – that would tell Dropbox to delete them too. My MacBook Pro,
sitting on my home WiFi some 30 miles away would then dutifully delete them
from my primary Mac also.
I paused Dropbox syncing to stop this wholesale carnage, but sure enough, this
morning I got an alert from Dropbox:
[dropbox]
As a techie, this was a nuisance rather than a disaster. I have multiple
backups, and I knew that Dropbox would let me undelete the files. For me, it’ll
be a few hours of my life lost to a tedious task. But a non-techie could have
just lost everything.
As far as that evening’s writing was concerned, it was over. As Sierra had
deleted the local copy and I’d switched Dropbox off, I no longer had a copy of
the book to work on.
Well, actually I did. Being a true belt, braces and piece of string man where
data is concerned, I keep a tiny USB drive permanently plugged into my MacBook
Air, and I use a son-father-grandfather system to keep copies of the last three
versions. So a copy of the latest Scrivener file was sat on the USB key, but …
I didn’t have enough space on my Mac to copy it across.
I could have worked directly on the USB key, but I didn’t want to risk a crash
when it ran out of drive space completely. I did at least manage to use the
time usefully by writing this instead, which required nothing more than a web
browser.
I’m not alone in this kind of experience. Here are some excerpts from the
comments on my previous piece.
I have just had a really nasty experience – and a confusing one to boot. I have
only got the standard 5Gb iCloud storage and yet the system reported that my
iCloud drive contained 169Gb. That worried me for a start. Next problem –
everything started running very slowly. Disc access was dreadful, beachballs
all the time. When I moved files from the Desktop – where I keep a lot of stuff
– and links to My Documents – there was a cloud icon next to everything in
Folder Details view. Also, when I tried to move files the system asked me if I
‘Really wanted to remove files from iCloud’. I had no intention or desire – and
I thought utterly no storage space to put all my files in the cloud and I
certainly didn’t think I had done so. So, I turned it off. I lost all my
desktop settings and all My Documents.
…
I’m just having the same experience […] I just went to turn off the iCloud
drive because all my Document files had a cloud icon on the side (that I don’t
remember turning on btw ), and the only way to accept the “turning off” was
deleting all my documents and desktop folders????
…
This seems really badly done. You can only select documents and desktop and it
deletes everything instead of files you never use.
It looks to me like Apple not only failed to consider the needs of those who
don’t spend their lives on always-on, high-speed broadband; not only neglected
to think about the dangers of robbing people of backup copies of their work;
but also hasn’t even considered that many of us have more than one Mac with
different sized SSDs on each. And instead of failing gracefully in that
situation, it bricks the Mac. That’s utterly nuts.
As far as I can see, the only reliable way out of this mess is going to be to
completely wipe the drive and restore from Time Machine. And then immediately
unlink my MacBook Air from iCloud so that the same thing doesn’t happen again.
In other words, remove it from the Apple ecosystem that is half the reason I’m
a Mac guy in the first place! Crazy!
So yeah, I was wrong. There is no ‘bit of mess’ about this: the word I would
use to describe it begins with ‘cluster’ and ends with a four-letter word I
can’t use on a family-friendly site. Apple very badly needs to fix it.
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