Oh I am so embarrassed. My face is bright bright red I think or at least if I weren't totally blind I'd see it being bright red. I am too smart for my own good or something. I download a lot of books from CNIB library that is like RNIB or NLS for you UK or american folk. I'm not sure of the equivalent for other countries. Anyway, I set the safari default download location to be a folder in my talking books folder that I use. Did not even think that the viena app would go there too but of course it did. I had downloaded a book to there and thought, "What is this strange file in my books?" and then it struck me. It was viena. Installed it now and all is good. Looks pretty accessible too.Thanks so very much. I feel dumb and smart all at the same time if that is possible. Kim ************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx