[lit-ideas] Re: È un fiore
- From: "atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 10:37:18 -0500
JL is probably not familiar with "Mockingbird Hill" (here's the version by
Les Paul and Mary Ford: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeuVBZZjz7k
MOCKINGBIRD HILL
When the sun in the mornin' peeps over the hill
And kisses the roses 'round my window sill
Then my heart fills with gladness when I hear the trill
Of those birds in the tree tops on mockin' bird hill
Tra-la-la, tweedlee dee dee it gives me a thrill
To wake up in the morning to the mockin' bird's trill
Tra-la-la, tweedlee dee dee
There's peace and goodwill
You're welcome as the flowers on the mockin' bird hill
[Instrumental Interlude]
When it's late in the evenin' I climb up the hill
And survey all my kingdom while everything's still
Only me and the sky and an old whippoorwill
Singing songs in the twilight on mockin'bird hill
Tra-la-la, tweedlee dee dee it gives me a thrill
To wake up in the morning to the mockin' bird's trill
Tra-la-la, tweedlee dee dee
There's peace and goodwill
You're welcome as the flowers on the mockin' bird hill
***********
More comments later.
Mike Geary
Mockingbird Memphis (they're flooding the air waves around here)
> [Original Message]
> From: <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 3/18/2010 10:44:14 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] È un fiore
>
> Calandra
>
> Geary on the mimus polyglottos by the banks of the Mississippi (by the H.
> Desoto Bridge):
>
> >"What's closest to us stays farthest away"
>
> In a way, like D. H. Lawrence in "In Italy":
>
> --- what is that? che e?
> --- It's a flower (e un fiore)
>
> ("I guess I knew it was a flower, but my Italian friend failed to catch
the
> implicature as to what _kind_ of a flower it was. Furriners").
>
> Philonian or Megarian
>
> In a message dated 3/18/2010 7:58:34 P.M. Argentina Standard Time,
> jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx writes:
> "That's the Hernando Desoto Bridge," I proudly announced. He looked at
me
> quizzically, pointed more demonstrably to a mockingbird not 20 feet away
> who was singing it's lusty heart out. "That!" my India Indian friend
said.
> "Oh," I said with a disappointed shrug, "a mockingbird."
>
> -----
>
> Grice writes in "Indicative Conditionals":
>
> "Each one of a number of different kinds of
> _statements might properly be classified
> as a conditional, a classification which might
> *nevertheless* allow for _semantic_ differences
> between one conditional form and another; and
> one, thought only one, variety of conditionals
> might be a *form* which is _semantically
> indistinguishable_ fro the Philonian or
> Megarian conditional."
>
> (WoW, p. 62).
>
> The reference indeed to the crows:
>
> Callimachus: "Even the crows on the roof-tops are cawing about which
> conditionals are true" (Adv. Math. (Loeb), I, 309).
>
> R. Paul will tell us if:
>
> "If the mockingbird won't sing,
> I'm gonna buy you a diamond ring" (*)
>
> ---
> "It is thought to be American (mockingbirds are from the American
> continent), but the author and date of origin are unknown. The lyrics
promise all
> kinds of rewards to the child if he or she is quiet."
>
> Oddly, in Buenos Ayres, the mimus saturninus is referred to as what the
> Italians call 'calandra' (Sp. calandria). Are we sure there are no
'calender
> birds' in the Old World? They seemed to have been known by the Romans
who
> named them so -- 'calandra', 'calandrus'. Of course the 'mimus' is the
mime.
> The American common (so-called) variety I don't think is the saturninus
--
> but I have this poster of the birds of my area just before my eyes, so I
> just typed the name for the variety found down here. (Mimus polyglottos
> seems to be the common American variety).
>
> The Italian 'calandra' does not seem to have anything to do with the
> mockingbird, though: "Lo Strillozzo (Emberiza calandra o Miliaria
calandra
> Linnaeus 1758), è un uccello della famiglia degli Emberizidae, che è
possibile
> trovare in tutta Italia, escluse le Alpi."
>
> Etc.
>
> JL Speranza
> Buenos Ayres, The Road to
>
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