As I was watching a cheesy made-for-tv movie the other night (NTSB: The crash of something er rather something) starring the uber-acting Mr. Mandy Pantinkin -- thank god he didn't sing -- I was struck at the end of the flim (sic) when there was a memorial for the men and women who died in the crash, one disgruntled father got up and recited some lines from the last scene of King Lear: Howl, howl, howl, howl! O, you are men of stones: Had I your tongues and eyes, I'ld use them so That heaven's vault should crack. She's gone for ever! I know when one is dead, and when one lives; She's dead as earth. Lend me a looking-glass; If that her breath will mist or stain the stone, Why, then she lives. And my poor fool is hang'd! No, no, no life! Why should a dog, a horse, a rat, have life, And thou no breath at all? Thou'lt come no more, Never, never, never, never, never! Pray you, undo this button: thank you, sir. Do you see this? Look on her, look, her lips, Look there, look there! Clearly he was addressing the loss of his daughter, but I'm wondering about the, perhaps ironically so, appropriateness of these quotes for this particular movie. They seem okay at face value, but even more so if we look at the underlying message in them from that particular play. I'm wondering if, in such a cheesy film, the writers could have known the far-reaching implications of choosing THESE lines in particular from ALL literature or whether they just picked them because someone vaguely remember a guy whose daughter died in a "Great Tragedy". It would be quite a coincidence if they just happened to write about this figuratively blind father regretting the death of his own "poor fool" in the plane crash. I've often thought that there might be a question about who the "fool" in King Lear (other that KL himself ;-)) is. Some seem to think that Cordelia IS the fool -- as is apparently evident in an earlier production of the play. from http://users.bigpond.net.au/catchus/a000.html "In the case of King Lear while it has normally been accepted that "Cordelia" and "Fool" are two different people, there is ample justification for reading them as the same. Other characters in this play have more than one speech prefix in the original texts. There was no list of characters at the beginning of the play in Shakespeare's text. We only have what is said by the characters to make a judgment concerning possible duplication. The most obvious argument that can be made in favour of Fool being Cordelia concerns Lear's last words while he is looking at his dead daughter, Cordelia, "And my poor Fool is hanged...." I am convinced that Lear has realized that Cordelia had served him as his Fool, and that he then dies of a broken heart as Gloucester did in the sub-plot when he learned that Edgar had been Poor Tom." This is extremely interesting and I always thought I was the only one with this idea. While I've seen KL twice performed and many times studied it in formal settings, this idea has never been mentioned by me OR by anyone else. The keeper of this website Robert G. Marks, apparently wrote "Cordelia, King Lear And His Fool" in 1995 -- there's a link to it on the website. Does anyone know about any scholarship to do with this aspect of the play? I knew I shoulda stayed in school. Who knew what treasures lay buried in a tv movie of the week? Always looking for a reason to say "'Zounds!" Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html