As Bob would concur, there is absolutely no moral excuse or epistemic
warrant for starting or continuing a philosophical discussion. 5 Hail
Marys.
On 2020-04-30 16:08, Paul Stone wrote:
What about the self-referential paradoxes?As Bob would concur, [1] http://www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html
Liars: This sentence is true.
Mathematical/logically based with a semantic root: Berry's, Richard's,
Grelling's
Epistemic: too many to count..."This sentence is not known to anyone."
Set-theoretic: Russell's, Cantor's, I think Hofstadter probably
trashed the former in his 200+ page screed against Russell, in his
very thoughtful "I am a Strange Loop"
Alas, I overstep my bounds. And since we are (kind of) on the topic of
RP, and therefore, Witters himself, they would both be aghast at the
lack of ultimate economy of language with which I am attempting to
communicate.
I'm sorry for starting/continuing a philosophical discussion.
pas
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 2:21 PM adriano paolo shaul gershom palma,
<palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Kerem jojjenek maskor es kulonosen masho
הִשְׁתַּדֵּל הִזְדַּקֵּן
sentential self reference has nothing to do with truth
consider
THIS SENTENCE IS WRITTEN IN SWEDISH
which is false.
what is your problem?
palma, a paolo shaul םֹשׁ ְרֵגּ
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:19 PM Paul Stone <pastone@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
What about sentences which are meta - that is, they talk about
themselves. Are these Schrodinger's sentences?
"I always lie!"
"Even when I'm serious I'm not."
Etc.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 1:51 PM adriano paolo shaul gershom palma,
<palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This is an interesting inversion, I am of the opposite view
the "intelligible & non decidable" shows how weak decidability is
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palma, a paolo shaul םֹשׁ ְרֵגּ
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:34 PM Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Well if a statement is intelligible but not decidable then yes it
compromises that concept of truth.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:39 PM adriano paolo shaul gershom palma
<palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
decidability got zippo to do with truth
for those with a philosophy training the easy examples are Goedelian
sentences (from the 1920's) - such sentences are true and non
decidable
_~Bew_(G(_p_)) <-> P
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palma, a paolo shaul םֹשׁ ְרֵגּ
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:28 PM Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I am a good chess player in comparison to someone who just knows how
the horsie movies, but bad in comparison to a grandmaster. Without
some further qualification, the statement "Omar is a good chess
player" while intelligible, is not really decidable.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 4:24 PM Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I am not sure that Robert subscribed to a binary notion of truth in
all contexts. Yes, pregnancy would be an example of binary truth,
but there are plenty of examples in every-day life where it is
non-binary - Walter is tall in comparison to whom ?
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 2:33 PM Walter Okshevsky <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi pas,
So, as Husserl was wont to say: Provide us with an example and we'll
grant you all the rest. Give us a complex statement that is both
true
and false, i.e., truthy.
"Portions of truth"? "Truth" is not a count noun. You can't
dispense it
in portions as you would a cheese cake.
Cheers, Walter
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On 2020-04-30 06:35, Paul Stone wrote:
One can't be a little bit pregnant, but I think one might be ableto
speak portions of truth. I.E.: true/false as a binary only reallyis
works with very simple statements.
pas
On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 4:52 AM Walter Okshevsky, <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
wrote:
Cheers, Walter
P.S. In honour of Bob: My first sentence above assumes that truth
lower
qualitative/scalar, as if a statement can possess a higher or
------------------------------------------------------------------degree of truth. (As in "truthiness.") Of course, that's very
false.
Truth is binary, like pregnancy.
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