[lit-ideas] Re: surgeons, Mister was Re: Re: "H. P. Grice, MA (Oxon)"
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:12:23 +0000 (GMT)
I hadn't known that -- interesting. I do always think of surgeons as former
barbers, as it were.
Judy Evans, Cardiff, UK
--- On Tue, 14/4/09, David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: David Ritchie <ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: surgeons, Mister was Re: Re: "H. P. Grice, MA (Oxon)"
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 5:56 PM
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Donal McEvoy wrote:
>
> >
> > Thank you for clearing this up.
> >
> > Donal
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Not all consultants, only surgeons. (Female
> surgeons
> >> are indeed called Miss etc..) That's because
> till the middle
> >> of the 19th century surgeons didn't have to go
> to university
> >> and some didn't even have to take an exam, but
> physicians
> >> had to take a degree, which was Doctor of
> Medicine.
> >>
>
> There are two issues tangled up here: training and social
> status Physicians were socially "sound" because
> they had been trained in classics, were members of the
> established church and hadn't been contaminated by
> Scottish training. General practitioners and surgeons were,
> until quite late in the nineteenth century--more precision
> would require digging in books--admitted to grand houses
> only by the servants' entrance; physicians could enter
> by the front door. I wrote a chapter about this once, which
> I could find on a non-teaching day.
>
>
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