palma, apgs
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:30 AM, adriano paolo shaul gershom palma <
palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
no, the normative notion of implicature is not that obscure.no bismarck, no weierstrass, no kant
according to some, following the claims made by Grice, there is a
triggering and on pain of doing something wrong you have to implicate what
is not stated.
to test the intuitions on the basis of this check for yourself why in
english a & b sound different
a she got pregnant and got married
b she got married and got pregnant
(you assume and is boolean, they claim that linear ordering is enough to
trigger the application of the norm :linear order entails temporal
ordering. it is a norm because it is false, viz. popper ate strawberry and
cream, which can not be understood as two time-divide actions.)
now metaphor: Omar suggests that the statement of the falsity, or the so
called obvious falsity, triggers the implicatures.
that is false.
example given to me in real life by a friend.
D Trump,
the choice of americans in a difficult time is
palma, apgs
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I think that there must be a way to subsume metaphor under implicature
somehow. Metaphors are implicatures of a more striking variety. We are
saying something that is obviously not literally true, such as "There is a
garden in her face" hoping that the interlocutor will understand that we
don't actually mean that her face needs the application of natural
fertilizers for example, but that it has a sort of a lively-colorful
appearance. We are trying to invoke resemblances between the two things
without saying that they are literally the same. But likely as death
someone will come along who will understand it in a literal way and start
refuting you. Metaphors are somewhat risky that way.
On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 6:16 PM, david ritchie <profdritchie@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Your views on an error and a metaphor would be appreciated.
The error is now common. One from among many examples I could choose,
here is a Guardian writer describing the life of the man who won this
year’s Nobel in Literature: "Born in Japan, Ishiguro’s family moved to
the UK when he was five."
And the metaphor. Gorkhan Sen, a guy commenting on receiving a life
sentence for participating in the Turkish coup said that he hadn’t expected
a fair trial. “Words don’t mean anything here…We are just the grass that
elephants trambpled on during their fight.” (NYTimes today, p.A4)
David Ritchie,
Portland, Oregon
