I just want you guys to know I'm printing all your responses for my daffter to read. Lots of fodder for discussion <g>. Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: e e cummings was a show-off Date: 3/5/05 9:49:15 A.M. Central Standard Time From: _johnwager@xxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:johnwager@xxxxxxxxxxx) To: _lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) Sent on: ALL published writing is a form of "showing off." I've read some Shopenhauer, and a really pessimistic book by Esther VIlar (THE MANIPULATED MAN), but they aren't convincing: ALL writing is optimistic, and ALL writing is calling attention to the writer as a writer. Let's not talk about how difficult it usually is to get one's writing PUBLISHED, which would be impossible if one did not somehow, somewhere, think that what one said could somehow be useful or well received or at least read. Let's just talk about how even writing a good SENTENCE is an act of optimism; one thinks that someone else will "get something" from what one writes, even if the content of the sentence is pessimistic. Who am _I_ to think that anybody on the list would want to read anything _I_ might say? Who is a mere STUDENT to think that she might say something that a _TEACHER_ might like? All writing is self-assertive and optimistic. The teacher was just "showing off" that she (the teacher) had the power of authoritative dismissal. >>From: Eric Yost <eyost1132@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>Date: 3/5/2005 12:45:41 AM >>Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: e e cummings was a show-off >> >>Showing off that he didn't have to accept rules. >> >>Same story with James Joyce in _finnegans wake_, I guess? >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html