Poor kant.. can anybody explain why there are three noumena? Or three "main" noumena? Was ist der Quatsch? On the other hand in Aristotelian terms the apple has no substance, it is prime matter & form, hence the misfiring of the idiots, what undergoes changes is a substance to the extent that one buys the notion of individual substance, which is the haecceitas of the tradition Palma apg Philosophy Howard college Ph 27 03 12 60 15 91