Curtius, Vol 2, p 290: "Hence we find Herodotus, in describing the consultations of the Persian princes, whom Xerxes convoked before the commencement of the war, put into the mouth of Mardonius the question; how the Persian king could be afraid of a nation whose states, instead of settling their disputes by means of heralds and messengers, as was natural to men speaking the same tongue, in foolish haste flew to arms and inflicted heavy damages upon one another [cf Herod. vii. 9.] "The states themselves were of two kinds. They were either small communities - peasant-cantons, which lived a quiet and unobserved existence . . . and never aspired to a policy of their own; or they were larger and more active states, which took part in the questions of the day and assumed a hostile attitude against one another in the assertion of their rival claims. Such was above all the mutual relation between the two principal states. Sparta continued as yet to occupy the first place. Her citizens were regarded as the first among the Hellenes in personal beauty and vigor, as the born leaders of the rest, and as masters of the art of war, who were thus justly entitled to deem themselves the superiors of the Greeks of Ionic descent; and, although the unfortunate and unworthy policy followed by Sparta during the last twenty years was but little adapted to call forth confidence and respect, yet the circumstances of the time were favorable to the continuance of her authority. For the universal terror inspired by the spread of the Persian power, and the growing feeling of general insecurity in the Greek world, caused Peloponnesus, on account of its natural strength, to be more than ever regarded as the citadel of Hellas. After all, the Spartan constitution and the Peloponnesian federation had proved themselves to be the most enduring of all the political institutions created by the Hellenes. . . ." Curtius then spends a few pages describing how the Greeks were squabbling amongst themselves and not at all getting ready to fend off the invading Persians. Also, "if it is remembered how rare among the Greeks was the virtue of incorruptibility, and in how many ways, open and secret, by a voluntary adoption of their side by deserters and traitors, the Persians were supported by the Greeks themselves, it may be understood how Xerxes came to think his guest Demaratus out of his senses when that latter prophesied that a serious war awaited the Persians." Lawrence From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:34 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Thermopylai Helm: "The translation I have is copyrighted 1871 and published in 1883. I sent for a history of the battle of Thermopylae but in the meantime I thought I would see what Curtius had to say about Xerxes, the Spartans, Leonidas and the Battle of Thermopylae." And share when it arrives. I only have Herodotus vol. 1 (Loeb) so far, and there's only one page reference to Xerxes -- the gist of the battle is of course in later volumes: Herodotus writes: "Darius purposed to take this statue but dared not; Xerxes his son took it, and slew the priest who warned him not to move the statue." (Herodotus, I, 183). So we see the mastery of Herodotus who is already biasing the reader's emotions _against_ Xerxes, unless you like a 'youthful and impetuous' king, as the Loeb translation of "The Persians" goes. Personally, I cannot think (HOW REALLY MAGNANIMOUS, the Greeks were). Imagine having a whole tragedy on your ENEMIES. I know Buenos Aires could never Swallow a staging of Berkoff's "Sink the Belgrano!" -- and I met the man, Berkoff, when he _was_ in Buenos Aires, brought by the brain-drain British-Council, but he was touring with a one-man play entitled, "Shakespeare's Villains" -- and what a pretentious Cockney the man is! Cheers, JL _____ See what's new at AOL.com <http://www.aol.com?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001170> and Make AOL Your <http://www.aol.com/mksplash.adp?NCID=AOLCMP00300000001169> Homepage.