Good story :) Erin Toronto Quoting Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
Stanley Fish once saved me and I must honour the debt incurred by defending his honour. The story in bullet-form is this. 1. I went to a University open day and there had a conversation with a philosophy student (who subsequently sent me Walter Kaufman's attack on Popper's treatment of Hegel), and with Stanley Fish who was doing a post-grad in English. 2. I asked what it was about. 'Currently about 10,000 words'. 3. I asked what the subject-matter was. 'It's wide-ranging.' 4. Could it be indicated at all? 'Not as subject-matter but by identifying its central thesis'. 5. Could he identify it? 'Well. I suppose it might be inferred from the working title.' Which is? 'Nursery Rhyme As A Signifier Of Late Medieval Economics As A Precusor Of Modern Capitalism'. 6. Could he give an example of a nursery rhyme to illustrate this? 'Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water.' I can see, I said, how that might show they were dependent on a hill for water supply or that they maybe went upstream for their water on grounds of hygiene, lack of sanitation etc. -but how does it signify in a wider sense how medieval economics were, or how they gave rise to modern capitalism? 'It doesn't. It's not a good example.' 7. Is there a good example? 'Pata-cake, pata-cake baker's man, bake me a cake as fast as you can'. 8. How does that illustrate the thesis? 'Well, first it shows how the marxist 'division of labour' was recognised as an economic reality, especially if we consider other rhymes that are even more explicit - for example, the one about the 'butcher, the baker and the candle-stick maker'. It indicates how in relation to cake - and perhaps bakery goods more generally - this division was already driving a consumerist and individualist culture ('bake _me_ a _cake_') and that there was an economic imperative of speed of delivery that we might surmise already lay at the root of the emergent capitalist system regarding the supply of goods and services (not 'in your own time' but 'as fast as you can') - and this long before we had the concept of 'fast food' for example. We also see that the baker, traditionally perhaps seen more as a maker of bread and other necessities, is now catering for a luxury good - cake. But he does not lose his traditional status as baker - he does not become a 'cake-maker'. Here we sense the underlying tension between traditional roles of the early medieval period and the new extended luxury-goods market that threatened those traditional roles. The inherent contradictions of the process as it were.' 9. Is there an even better example? 'Hot Cross Buns, Hot Cross Buns, One a penny, two a penny, Hot Cross Buns'. 10. I said I could see that also involved a luxury item - the bun. It also perhaps showed how this was tied into religious practice, with the cross. 'But you have missed the really important point.' 11. Which is? '"One a penny, two a penny". It is a matter of some controversy how best to exegeticise this particular phrase but on either of the two main schools of thought it does offer a late medieval precusor of an almost ubiquitous aspect of modern capitalism - particularly in relation to foodstuffs as purveyed by supermarkets.' 12. What are those schools of thought? 'Well, one holds that the phrase is an early example of what we know now as the 'two-for-one offer'.' 13. And the other school? 'They hold it's a 'buy-one-get-one-free'.' Donal ___________________________________________________________Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html
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