In a message dated 4/27/2009 1:02:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wokshevs@xxxxxx writes: > Habermas's identification of the necessary and universal > epistemic presuppositions/conditions of discourse seems right to me. WO: Oh my god! Jl and I agree. I must re-think my position from the bottom up. ---- On the other hand, it's vacuous -- such identification. For surely the water board conversations are not precisely the 'vagina monologues'. PRESUPPOSITION for WATER BOARD conversation. Some mutual language: -- then the dialogue seems redundant, if they already share a language. For Grice, the conditions of conversation _create_ meaning. Questions and answers only allowed. This is a restriction of the 'conversational game'. Habermas allows for some 'prescriptive moves', etc. None of those allowed in the water board conversations. Only, "How many...?" "Where...?" It's usually the supply of 'information', which we don't _know_ it's information. Could be 'mis-information'. It's rather then, compliance with 'answering' the question in a maximin way. Cheers, JLS **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html