JL: >>And I don't think rhyme is everything. No, there's also reason, but rhyming's fun; reason, a bother -- so why bother? >>You have not addressed the slightly serious question as to whether 'Eros' is the personification of a passion (love), or its deification.<< Slightly serious? Sir, either you are serious or you are not. I must know which for I do not entertain frivolous questions. Frivolity has been the downfall of many a noble mind. Imagine had the Spartans taken up comedy writing instead of the sword, oh, how so much poorer our planet would be. Seriousness is like Godliness except more so. God Himself had to take lessons in seriousness. The Egyptians thought God was just joking when he turned the waters into blood -- like they hadn't seen that old trick before? Then came the frogs, gnats and flies -- interesting, but no show stoppers. The frog plague was just plain funny. Then came sick livestock, get serious! Festering boils -- ach, that's disgusting. Then hail. Hail? Hell, they'd see all that before. So send in the locusts, followed by days of darkness. Honestly, this was getting as silly as the Three Stooges. And finally God got serious and killed the first born -- well, got their attention. Serious is a dead baby. So tell me. are you serious or not? Mike Geary Memphis Geary: >JL's translation of the conversation he unearthed of Gurkha soldiers proves my >thesis >I wish I had had this quote for my book. It is proof positive of the >brilliance of my >position: "Shut up." I'm not sure I want to shut up. I want to invoke the voice of those Ghurkas for various motives: Argentina was regarded as 'third world', and Reagan supported UK during the Falklands War. Yet, the money from Reagan and other 'first-world' countries (like, well, Italy's Liguria) went to the pockets of those mercenaries, the Ghurkas -- fourth world if you ask me. The Royal Marines and other first-world troops were involved in the Falklands War but only nominally. When it come to the grit of the battle, it was left to the hands of the mercenaries like the Ghurkas. Of course, they won't feature large in the history of "Wars We Won", by UK. It's also surprising that the wonderful battles they _lost_ in their pathetic attempt to gain the River Plate (1805 and 1806, under Beresford and Whitelock, as every Argentine schoolboy knows) never feature in any "History of England" worth its name. So I won't shut up. And I don't think rhyme is everything. You have not addressed the slightly serious question as to whether 'Eros' is the personification of a passion (love), or its deification. I was trying to be witty, but I actually don't have an answer and was curious. "Eros" being an abstract noun, it possibly falls under 'deification', but, my point was that as far as representational art is concerned, it has to be reprsented as a _person_, except for that silly pair of wings. Alas, the proportions of Polykleitus (the Kanon) don't apply to underage boys: their heads always too big for the body, and so I dislike most representations of Eros, while some Americans find them 'cute'. (For your knowledge, I also submit to the Kanon (The Doruphoros) where it was head: 1/8, and dislike the proportions brought up by Lysippus, head: 1/7 (as in Apoxoimenos -- the Strigil-Scraper). Of course the proportions of a ghurka are not even _classic_! The subject matter is the title of the Countess of Marlborough's biography: Consuelo Vanderbilt. She disliked the Brits quite a bit. On her arrival to Blenheim -- one of the best places for outdoor statuaries, even now -- she was received by, "You don't look or sound like an American at all". In her brilliant memoirs ('gold' -- like silence; hardly the glitter) she medidates: "Little did those Brits know how hurtful I found those comments". Cheers, JL Speranza Villa Speranza, Bordighera and Buenos Aires, Argentina. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail! JL: >>And I don't think rhyme is everything. No, there's also reason, but rhyming's fun; reason, a bother -- so why bother? >>You have not addressed the slightly serious question as to whether 'Eros' is the personification of a passion (love), or its deification.<< Slightly serious? Sir, either you are serious or you are not. I must know which for I do not entertain frivolous questions. Frivolity has been the downfall of many a noble mind. Imagine had the Spartans taken up comedy writing instead of the sword, oh, how so much poorer our planet would be. Seriousness is like Godliness except more so. God Himself had to take lessons in seriousness. The Egyptians thought God was just joking when he turned the waters into blood -- like they hadn't seen that old trick before? Then came the frogs, gnats and flies -- interesting, but no show stoppers. The frog plague was just plain funny. Then came sick livestock, get serious! Festering boils -- ach, that's disgusting. Then hail. Hail? Hell, they'd see all that before. So send in the locusts, followed by days of darkness. Honestly, this was getting as silly as the Three Stooges. And finally God got serious and killed the first born -- well, got their attention. Serious is a dead baby. So tell me. are you serious or not? Mike Geary Memphis