I could have made it clearer. I was annoyed at Steve Jobs in large part because some say he's making the computer as I know it obsolete, and that depresses me. That's probably a bit of hyperbole and it was only hearsay anyway, even if the netbook is already obsolete. I don't always appreciate things in real time. That's why I only read classics, when I'm not reading depressing stuff. Serious apologies for underappreciating him. His contributions to the computer field are very appreciated by others, even if he does want to take away my computer. The iPad is a lot more convenient and handier than the computer, I love the instant on of it, it and can do everything Kindle does, which is a big deal. Okay, hanging my head... Andy ________________________________ From: Andy <mimi.erva@xxxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Steve Jobs Sorry, I forgot that he went to Reed for a while. The point of this is that his rock star status seems seems a bit much for tweaking the computer basically, which itself is a tweak on the telephone. Maybe in an age generally bereft of inventions this might be reasonable to hope for. Better an iPad and smart phone than Monsanto's genetically engineered foodish (which btw I just read they're going to be purveying directly to the public soon, so my fruits and vegetables are going to even more ruined). Today's inventions are just tweaks. I can't think of any real inventions, can you (serious question)? Actually, there's a line of thought that says that every, I think it's three years or two years computing power doubles, essentially making it exponential growth, like taking 2 and doubling it for every chess square on a chess board. By the last square you'll have a number that won't fit into the universe or something like that. This line of reasoning says that this exponential increase in computing power has already or will soon have within it all the information that ever existed on the face of the earth, meaning every book, every newspaper, all math, all science, just everything. The problem, this line of reasoning has it, is that this existing or soon to be artificial intelligence super super computer can go through a singularity where it will become self replicating, along the lines of the first singularity that sparked life on earth billions of years ago and caused the first cell to begin replicating. At that point the super super computer will have the distinct advantage that it will have no emotions to get in its way, and it will no longer need humans. Literally, humans will be pests (not pets, pests). This idea isn't keeping me up at night yet, but in thinking about it, it's not all that farfetched. Why can't it happen, given the exponential growth of computing power? It's a much more realistic possibility than going to Mars, or establishing space stations on the moon, which super computeroids will be able to do much more easily since they won't be bio machines requiring food and water and air. As far as Steve Jobs, okay I take it back. I'll give my iPad another look. I hope it isn't spawning little computer babies even at this very moment. No, it's not. Thank goodness, we're still safe, for now... Andy ________________________________ From: Robert Paul <rpaul@xxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:17 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Steve Jobs What is the fascination with Steve Jobs? Why is he such a rock star? I have an iPad and I hate the thing. > What is the point of this? If all you know of Steve Jobs is that you don't like your iPad, one would think you'd want to find out a bit more before you gratuitously dismiss him. Robert Paul