<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/10/wapes10.xml &DCMP=EMC-new_10062006> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/10/wapes10.xml&; DCMP=EMC-new_10062006 The above article indicates that some in Spain are advocating some human rights for the Great Apes. I couldn't help reflecting upon Taylor's Sources of the Self as I read. I am in Chapter 7. In Chapter 6 he discussed Plato and in Chapter 8 he will discuss Descartes, but he sees Augustine as the bridge between them. For Plato there was a hierarchy: life, existence, reason. Only humans can aspire to reason. Not all do, but the philosopher, the one who leads the most estimable life, will. For Augustine, God dwells within us if we are Christian and only thus do we truly exist. Augustine emphasized the interiority of man in a way that Plato did not. Without Augustine, apparently, there could have been no Descartes who sees the ability to think the affirmation of existence. What is the justification for granting the Great Apes near equality with man? It couldn't be anything written by Plato, Augustine or Descartes. I suspect it is based upon recent analyses comparing the genetic codes of the great apes to homo sapiens. The human genome has been compared to the genome of pan troglodytes, the Chimpanzee: <http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v437/n7055/full/nature04072.html and our codes our 98% common. Wikipedia article: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_ape says "The hominids are the members of the <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_family> biological family Hominidae (the great <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape> apes), which includes <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human> humans, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee> chimpanzees, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla> gorillas, and <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orangutan> orangutans." Further down the article reads, "The exact criteria for membership in the Hominidae are not clear, but the family generally includes those <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species> species who share more than 97% of their <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA> DNA with the modern human <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome> genome, and exhibit a capacity for <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language> language and for simple <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture> cultures beyond the family or band. The <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind> theory of mind, providing the capacity to lie convincingly, is a controversial criterion distinguishing the adult human alone among the hominids. Humans acquire this capacity at about four and a half years of age, whereas the bonobo, gorilla and chimpanzee never seem to do so. However, without the ability to test whether early members of the Hominidae (such as <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_erectus> Homo erectus, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_neanderthalensis> Homo neanderthalensis, or even the australopithecines) had a theory of mind, it is difficult to ignore similarities seen in their living cousins. Despite an apparent lack of real culture and significant physiological and psychological differences, some say that the orangutan may also satisfy these criteria. These scientific debates take on political significance for advocates of <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ape_personhood> Great Ape personhood." This "self" that Taylor is seeking the sources of is a human self, but many are asking whether it is justified to distinguish the human from the rest of the hominidae. May not someone one day right, for example, Sources of the Pan Troglodytes Self? Those advocating rights for the great apes are using the term "personhood." What is the difference I wonder between "self" and "personhood"? Lawrence