[lit-ideas] Re: Persuasion Redux and Merry Christmas
- From: wokshevs@xxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:44:56 -0330
Eric continues to believe I understand and appreciate more about music than I
have let on. I can only repeat my insistence that I am verily innocent of such
understanding and appreciation. So the provision of further "examples," as with
the continuation of the use of a vocabulary I view as being overly metaphoric,
and mostly unintelligible, will not disabuse me of my ignorance. I love
listening to certain kinds of music; I love to sing; but I find no congnitive
content in it whatsoever. Shall we move over to the chessboard and some
Talisker?
Walter O.
Pythagoras Chair of String Theory and Quantum Mechanics
Spasiba. I vam tozhe.
Quoting Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >>I remain a crass emotivist: what is good is what makes me feel
> good. Hence, the intelligibility and cogency of the metaphoric
> applications of logical concepts to that realm escape me.
>
>
> Take F-minor. Listen to Beethoven's Appassionata Sonata 23 played by
> Glenn Gould, Artur Rubinstein, Walter Gieseking, the Vladimirs Pletnev,
> Horowitz, and Ashkenazy, Josef Hofmann, and Lazar Berman. Also listen to
> Sviatoslav Richter's RCA recording of the same piece from 1960.
>
> One will persuade you to prefer it above the rest. Its persuasion will
> be convincing. The persuasion, that is the interpretation, will convince
> you. The method of the persuasion is not mere rhetorical sophistry, not
> a rallying cry, but an appeal to "universal and necessary
> principles and concepts individuating" that sonata.
>
> Maybe you won't be persuaded by Richter. Maybe someone I haven't named
> will convince you, maybe Alfred Brendel or Eileen Joyce. Yet the
> interpretation that persuades you will offer the most convincing
> interpretation of the sonata for you. If, after this experiment, you
> listen to other versions of the piece, you will find yourself comparing
> it, almost involuntarily, to the version you are convinced is best.
>
> The results can be verified empirically, but only by you, and hence
> cannot necessarily be replicated. It is a form of knowledge outside of
> empiricism or axioms. It resides in the subject, and depends, inter
> alia, upon what you value in sound, and how you understand the score.
>
> Nevertheless, it is a form of knowledge, musical semantics, where
> persuasion is convincing.
>
> Vesyeloye Rozhdestvo,
> Muzilkalnaya Vanta
>
>
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