I miss Mike. Anyone know if Yost is still around? I had also forgotten
Mirembe Nantango’s name. Glad this was posted.
On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 11:13 AM Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Torgeir,--
I did a search of the Phil-Lit, Lit-Ideas, and Theoria past and found the
following:
From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 20:25:10 -0500
Hi, Brian,
Welcome! You HAVE been gone for awhile. David Myers got miffed, took his
Phil-Lit ball and went home. I think he opened a yeshiva in College
Station, Texas. If not, he should. Larry Kramer opened a new
Right-Thinking List at TAMU -- under the auspices of D.G. M. I presume --
and called it Theoria. I think it rhymes with Peoria. There you'll find
the two Larrys (except when Helm gets pissed and disappears for a while).
Tom Hart's still there though and Nancy Sanderson and Lance Simmons and
Delia Friedberg and uh...oh yes, occasionally D.G. Myers
and...and...hmmm...it seemed like so many right-wingers but that's only 7.
There are a few others who occasionally weigh right in, but on Phil-Lit it
always seemed like thousands of them to me. Where did they all go?
Literature and Ideas (Lit-Id) is in its second incarnation. First
phoenixed
in the flames of Topica, now by freelists. Andreas Ramos is the
unappreciated janitor of Lit-Id. God bless him. Irene Cassidy had
problems
connecting through Topica and eventually gave up (alas), Lawrence Helm is
the ONLY true conservative who posts to Lit-Id -- but only occasionally.
Norbert Sclippa fell off the face of the earth apparently. Norman Miller
has found his tool catalogs more intriguing than any of us -- and who can
blame him ? Robert Paul is still with us but quite appalling in his
satiric
take on human nature. Those still alive and still posting that you didn't
mention are John Wager, Marlena Boggs, Eric Yost, Carol Kirschenbaum,
Julie
Kruegger, Chris Bruce, Ceri Harris, Richard Henninge, Mirembe Nantango,
Phil
Enns, Steven Cameron, Renee Leon, Paul Stone, Brian Connery, John
McCreery,
William Ball, Erin Holder, Austin Meredith and JL -- JL? -- well,
whenever
JL deigns to post anymore. It's a situation so full of implicatures I
can't
begin to explain it all. Jesus Grice! as Paul Stone once exclaimed. Andy
Amago you probably don't know, he's "new". Welcome back. Youl'll find
everyone just as opinionated as they ever were, often entertaining and
sometimes even informative. There may be others that I'm forgetting. I
hope not. But they're all fun. So have fun.
But what the fuck do you mean "OF COURSE, Mike Geary" ?
Mike Geary
Memphis
where coarse is the course.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" <cabrian@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 5:37 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: SUNDAY POEM
Hello again, all! I doubt anyone remembers me but I was a member of
Phil-Lit several years ago and see in the archives there are a few
people that came to this list. Of course, Mike Geary, but also Judy
Evans, David Ritchie, Michael Chase, Stan Spiegel, et al. What
happened to the old list and David Myers? Where did some of the old-
timers like Lawrence Helm, Irene Cassidy, Norbert Sclippa run off
to? Catch me up on the goings-on, please.
Brian A. Gross
P.S. Is there still a three post per day rule in effect?
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lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Torgeir Fjeld
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 4:54 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: [lit-ideas] Re: [lit-ideas] [lit-ideas] RE:
[lit-ideas] Re: [lit-ideas] RE: [lit-ideas] Life’s Stains
Dear former chiders and whoever else might be reading,
One of the interesting elisions that occurred as an effect of the closure
of PhilLit (and the subsequent migration of many of its members to this
list) was that the understanding of the term _literature_ shifted. On
PhilLit literature was understood chiefly as objects of contemplation and
scholastic assessment. However, in the novel LitIdeas environment several
subscribers begun to post works of literature, which, more often than not,
was written by themselves.
While PhilLit was oriented towards academic and scholars with an expertise
in either of the two disciplines indicated by the title of the list,
LitIdeas believed that literature was also something that we can practice
and express ourselves in.
The shift no doubt was linked to the new governance that came with the
establishment of LitIdeas: while PhilLit was administered by a (now
late) adjuct professor at a major Texas university, LitIdeas was launched
by Mr. Andreas Ramos, a man who didn't hold an academic position, and who
also had not established himself as a significant scholar in any of the
relevant disciplines. Much energy was therefore spent in the early days of
LitIdeas to deride the established disciplinary structure of higher
education: claims that academic departments and fields of study were
outdated and that they moreover stood in the way of innovation abound. This
is the reason why we today sometimes read posts from subscribers who
believe that this list should either include disciplines far beyond the
first two core fields, or abolish the academic orientation all together.
Nevertheless, there were some acclaimed and recognised scholars who
migrated to LitIdeas after the demolition of PhilLit. First among them were
Robert Paul, a professor of Philosophy at an American West Coast
university. Many of the early debates here were either initiated by or
oriented towards his work, and his absence has made some subscribers ask if
philosophy isn't any longer a major concern for this list.
On the other hand, we should not forget that several other key members
took the side of Ramos, Paul, and -- should we dare to add? -- Richie, as
LitIdeas was established out of the ashes of a fatal conflagration on
PhilLit. Few of them saw philosophy as a core discipline in their work; it
is nevertheless a happy conincidence to have acclaimed and professionally
active scholars here from diverse fields, such as history, anthropology,
linguistics, and -- yes, palma -- philosophy.
To return to the topic of this post, the real novelty with LitIdeas was
the inclusion and general acceptance of actual literary posts to the list.
It brings up the philosophically interesting question of what the relation
may be between an enquiry and the language we phrase it in. Is it once
again time to consider the question of the form of philosophy?
Mvh. / Yours sincerely,
Torgeir Fjeld
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On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 05:54, david ritchie <profdritchie@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
wrote:
On Apr 13, 2019, at 12:19 AM, John McCreery <john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx>
would always surprise their parents. By the second half of the 20th
The most important thing I learned from my daughter was that children
century, the notion that a child would simply follow its parent’s example
and live a similar life was ludicrous. The world was changing too fast.
an impending marriage. When I married I thought there might be some point
John
I’m tempted to try a story on you all. In my world there are rumors of
in a conversation with my future father-in law. Neither my father-in-law
nor I knew quite what that point might be. They were “let’s make a new
future” types, New Yorkers who had moved to San Diego in order to discard
most of their past. I have no idea how such a conversation went, but he
was pleased with the nod to tradition and the whole deal worked somehow.
conversation with her intended. I said, without thinking, “that might be
My daughter asked if, under similar circumstances, I’d like to have a
good.” So then I had to think through what a conversation between an
almost son-in-law and myself might be about. Obviously there’s no issue of
permission. Why would I have a say in who she chooses to live with? And I
can’t do the, “if you harm my daughter in any way Big Julie will be around
with their baseball bat, with designs upon your knees,” kind of speech.
That’s not the world I live in. So, what? I decided that if/when it
happens we’ll be trying to get past the limits of inter-generational male
conversation. At present he and I discuss cars, sport, engineering…manly
but not lit-ideas kinds of stuff. If you wise people have advice, I’d be
happy to read it.
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