You can't imagine a child's mother being killed and eaten by a saber tooth tiger and that child growing up with the consequences of being inadequately nurtured and doing the only job it knows how to do, which is to say, inadequately nurture its own offspring, when it reproduces? It was tough being a hominid and a human, and still is, especially being a little tiny absolutely helpless human at the absolute mercy of its environment. This stuff goes into infinity until it's consciously stopped. Each inadequately nurtured child creates another inadequately nurtured child, creates another inadequately nurtured child into forever. How is it going to be otherwise? "JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx Krueger" <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: <<A.A. She doesn't wonder where evil comes from. Norman Mailer thinks it comes from the devil. Maybe she thinks it comes from the devil too. I think it comes from abuse in childhood. Victims create victims. Each victim reacts differently. Unless you think the devil creates victims, the answer is to stop creating victims in childhood.>> Every time you post on this topic, I want to hum "Nothing comes from nothing; nothing ever could....". Thought experiment: Imagine that it were possible to scientifically trace human behaviour to the very first "evil" act by a human. If evil is the result of child abuse, and there were apparently a first child-abuser -- whence comes that abuser's evil? Circular logic -- under my feet, over my head. Julie Krueger --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.