[lit-ideas] Lucrezia Rapita
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:44:47 EDT
Il Ratto del Seraglio
In a message dated 4/24/2009 2:57:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
palma@xxxxxxxx writes:
Withh all due respect you have no clue.
serraglio is not an Italian word, it is Turkish
(as in, for those how know football GALATA-SARAIJ
or in any of the majestic palaces of the Ozman age. Mozart was young but
not dumb
----
Point taken. You'll admit, Italian, that as a masculine noun singular, it
_is_ Italian.
(Latin seraglium would be neuter).
Incidentally, I'm trying to learn the aria, in all languages, in Italian.
There's a nice CD of instrumentals I must get of Mozart arias. The other
day I ordered by mistake a different CD with tenor INCLUDED and can't stand
it!
Callas recorded Ratto del Seraglio apparently in Italian, the only
language in which Mozart shoud be allowed to be played.
Ditto, There's this majestic, "imagine" aria in "Il Flauto Magico".
Note that there are quite a few operas with 'rapita' or 'ratto' in the
title.
My favourite has to be, "The rape of Lucrezia", or Lucrezia rapita, by
what's his name Britten.
Strawson observed, in "Subject and Predicate in Logic and Grammar":
"There's an important change of logical order from "Lucrezia Raped"
and "The Rape of Lucrezia". The former should be preferred, since the
subject (albeit a very 'passive' one) continues to be "Lucrezia": 'raped'
is something we predicate of the subject ("Tonio rapitor" would be a
disgusting title for an opera). In "Il Ratto di Lucrezia", the subject is,
albeit grammatically, if never logically, 'the rape' itself, which as
Donald
Davidson notes ("The logical structure of action sentences") only
exist in our imagination."
Cicero discusses in "De legibus" the "Lucrezia rapita" case: "Since there
were no moral
legislation about rape _then_, we cannot say that Tonio committed an
'illegal' thing
when he raped her."
Cheers,
JLS
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