The U.S. was always religious, since its inception. Nothing has particularly changed. So were Islamic countries. South America is as religious and leftist as ever (Venezuela's president is threatening to unleash his leftists). So are the Jews, still fighting to the death for their religion. The Europeans, I think, aren't particularly religious, although certainly not atheist. Asia is too busy conquering the world with commerce to worry about religion, and their gods aren't god-like in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic sense anyway. The Dalai Lama turned out to be head and shoulders above all the superstitious rest of mankind. Here's an excerpt from his new book: "My confidence in venturing into science lies in my basic belief that as in science so in Buddhism, understanding the nature of reality is pursued by means of critical investigation: if scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims." ----- Original Message ----- From: M.A. Camp To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 9/27/2005 11:38:38 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Is The End For Theophobia Near? Faith No More Against The Rising Tide of Rejuvenated Religion, A Number of Writers Make The Case For Disbelief Book Forum ^ | October/November 2005 | Ronald Aronson Excerpt: And so the stage was set for atheism's high tide in the twentieth century, hailed by Nietzsche's declaration that God was dead. By the 1960s American liberal Christianity seemed bent on committing suicide. "Ideas such as eternal life, Resurrection, a 'God out there,' and any sense of the mysterious," McGrath writes, "were unceremoniously junked as decrepit embarrassments." The combined surrender of sophisticated theologians like Harvey Cox or former Episcopal bishop John Spong, the campaigns against religion by the Soviets and Chinese, and the tendency to pit science against faith proved that "by 1970 many had come to the view that religion was on its way out." But today it is atheism that seems in irreparable decline. What happened? --------------------- The Twilight of Atheism Why this once exciting and 'liberating' philosophy failed to capture the world's imagination. Christianity Today ^ | March 2005 | Alister McGrath Excerpt: Atheism was once new, exciting, and liberating, and for those reasons held to be devoid of the vices of the faiths it displaced. With time, it turned out to have just as many frauds, psychopaths, and careerists as religion does. Many have now concluded that these personality types are endemic to all human groups, rather than being the peculiar preserve of religious folks. With Stalin and Madalyn Murray O'Hair, atheism seems to have ended up mimicking the vices of the Spanish Inquisition and the worst televangelists, respectively. -- Cheers, M.A. Camp, Esq.