In a message dated 6/26/2013 2:04:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx writes in "Always remember...": "Is not the problem JLS wishes to identify better compared to Russell's paradox re classes: Is the class whose members are all those members that are 'not members of that class' a member of that class (or not)?" No. I think this addresses a *different* problem (or issue) that I rather entitle, as per subject-line, "Grice's Class". The reference is to A. G. N. in his "Apologia pro philosophia mea" (in S. Shanker, ed, "Philosophy in Britain Today", p. 78), as Flew recollects J. L. Austin's "Saturday Mornings": "described once by Paul Grice as "the class for all those whose classes have no members" "(See Warnock, "Saturday mornings", in I. Berlin et al, "Essays on J. L. Austin" (Clarendon, 1973)". Cheers, Speranza ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html