In a message dated 2/9/2010 3:43:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx writes: appositives*: We Vikings love to sack --- Good point. Of course unnecessary in Latin: Barbari rapimus "We barbarians rape" --- The 'we' is not necessary since it's understood by the -mus of the verb ending. Needless to say (then why say it, as Geary often retorts) the 'fluid ruling' that Yost mentions regarding the existence or lack thereof of the Oxford Comma: Barbari, rapimus is also unnecessary (on account of the Romans find it very _hard_ to carve a comma on stone and marble, etc. The correct Latin, due to their antipathy for lowe-cases gets BARBARI RAPIMVS Now, in case what we mean is We Romans can rape a Viking too. They would clearly mark the 'barbaros' in accusative ROMANI BARBAROS RAPIMVS I take as otiose that it's a barbarus saying that since per definitionem they can't (speak Latin, etc). JLS griceclub.blogspot.com