Thanks to R. Paul for his link to SEF -- and comments: The SED entry reads: "It was Ryle who suggested that Ayer read Wittgenstein's Tractatus, a work that immediately impressed him. Ryle was also instrumental in getting Ayer to go to Vienna in 1933 to study with Moritz Schlick, then leader of the Vienna Circle..." One (I mean, I) wonders if the man (Ryle) ever regretted it. I would think one way to find is to check his Correspondence or Diaries. If not, as Geary says, 'invent it'. -------------------------- Nov. 21, 1936 Christ Church Dear Diary, My former student, Freddie Ayer, is back from Vienna. If I had known _half_ of the monstrosities he is up to in the sacred dreaming spires and corridors of power of English intelligentsia... I would never have suggested that tripette with Herr Schlick. The man, Schlick, apparently corrupted my youth so... That he never again was able to enjoy such Oxonian genuine pleasures as the reading of the Symposium on the flower-covered ivy-mantled walls of The House overlooking the Meadow. What aggravates me most is that all the 'youngies', as I call them, are _fascinated_ with him. "Tell us all you saw", they ask him. Youngies who should know better, like good Austin, good Hampshire, good ... Grice (He is a student at Corpus). These are hearty clean-shaven English types who would never _think_ of parroting what a Hun is saying! The disrespect Freddie is showing towards his (and Oxford, and Civilisation) 'Greats' is just abominable -- but then trust Victor Gollancz to publish his sh*t. I spent years in trying Methuen to publish my "Concept of Mind" and they keep telling me, "Add some spice to it. It's not polemic enough". But, dear Diary, "ghost in the machine" is the only insult I would tell Descartes in the face. Anyway, that's progress for you..." ---- Darling. It's the telephone. ---- Who it may be at this time? ---- They said London. ---- (picking telephone). Yes? ---- We are calling regarding a visit to the University. ---- Yes. ---- There is this Austrian philosopher, Popper's the name who would be... ---- No! (to be continued) J. L. Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina -- The Non-Natural History of Grice ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com