The problem with the appropriation of the body by the womb-man is wrong. First, it's wyf-man, as opposed to penis-man, or weapon-man. Wyfman is a retronym. I submit it is an accident of the body that only a woman's body can _birth_. And then some. The majority of women don't birth. And animals other than women birth too. Birds Egg, though. (which I find more practical). ---- The body of the male -- is it nonexistant when it comes to birth? Well, Ben Affleck witnessed the birth of her daughter: "I enjoyed watching my woman's body stretch". He was referring to Jennifer Garner, whom he kept calling 'my woman's body'. When Frank Sinatra died, his body was paraded along the Fifth Avenue. The NYT read, "Frank Sinatra was paraded along Fifth Avenue". Someone wrote a letter to the Editor, "No sir, no. What was paraded was his _body_, not the Crooner, not Blue Eyes." ---- I find it disrespectful on the human male body that St. Joseph was so accidental in the birth of Christ. He (Christ) never showed one bit of concern for his 'foster father'. Is that a teaching, or what? --- The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Queen is also problematic. She was succeeded by the Stuarts, hence Ritchie. Adriana C. looks like an Italian scholar. The other is possible Dundeean. Cheers, JL **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html