[lit-ideas] Re: FW: Re: Who are you calling crazy?
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:37:21 -0700
Ah Irene, I think I'm falling in love with you. High on my list of
qualities in a wife is the ability to keep me amused. Actually I already
have a wife so don't let her read this or she'll be jealous. She is also
amusing, but in a different way. But if we'd only met years ago, it could
have been perfect.
XXXXX
Lawrence
Ps. Give your mouse a kiss for me
_____
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 9:17 PM
To: lit-ideas
Subject: [lit-ideas] FW: Re: Who are you calling crazy?
"They kill themselves out of emptiness and unhappiness and things like that.
Probably for the same reason the marines do."
I meant, of course, the same reason the marines become marines in the first
place, to kill others. In the process they're at high risk of killing
themselves, so there's a suicidal element in there too, or else they'd
become accountants or teachers. My friend marine was a real nice person. I
actually liked him a lot. Maybe some terrorists are nice people. We'll
never know.
It's late, and my mouse is still not working.
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Amago <mailto:aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 5/9/2006 12:02:27 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Who are you calling crazy?
Nah, it takes one to know one. In college a knew an ex-marine. He said
that marines are taught to kill. Normal people are taught to kill? I'm not
saying the guys who head for Iraq and indulge in terror and who blew up
Madrid and London aren't emotionally ill, of course they are. Most likely
they were beaten as children, had no fathers, and on and on. How sending in
the marines to rectify that is beyond me. Ramping up violence never
improved anybody's mental health. That's all the more reason why we need to
use engagement and nonviolent approaches. And Lawrence, get over it.
Nobody but nobody kills themselves for virgins in the sky. That's just,
what's the word, shorthand. They kill themselves out of emptiness and
unhappiness and things like that. Probably for the same reason the marines
do.
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 5/8/2006 11:25:48 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Who are you calling crazy?
Omar
Marines arent mentally ill but the Islamists are. Islamists describe
themselves in word and deeds and their descriptions correspond to mental
illness. You once suggested that I had a thing about their blowing up cars.
It isnt my thing. It was after reading account after account of their
doing that in Europe that I mentioned several times. It is their thing, and
apparently not just Islamists but your moderate Muslims. There have been
lots and lots of damage and it cant all have been caused by the Islamists
unless there really are no moderates. Are there? They behave insanely and
as of the time of the writings of Bawer, Berlinski, Fenby, Yeor, Fallici
etc, they are still behaving that way.
Is their being willing to blow themselves up not mentally ill? Do you
appeal to Islam to justify an explanation of sanity? Lets hear it. I
dont think there is one. Anyone willing to blow himself up for virgins in
paradise is nuts. Marines are called nuts for being willing to fight such
people. Its all in how you look at the world I suppose.
Bin Laden has called for Musharaffs assassination. Is that not insane? The
wimpy of the world worry about the attitude of the Marines, about their
being insensitive and unfeeling. But they dont worry about berserk
Islamists. Some of the people here on Lit-Ideas sound as thought they would
rather stop the Marines than the Islamists. Now that is mentally ill.
Fortunately Marines are taught about Civilians in boot camp. They are
taught that civilians barely have sense enough to get out of each others
way. We are taught not worry about the dumb things they say and do but to
fight for them in spite of all that.
Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Omar Kusturica
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 6:39 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Punitive Expeditions (in the garden)
Lawrence,
Ever seen MASH ? No, I didn't think so. You might have
a bit more sense of humour about "a Marine being
always prepared" if you have.
You description of a Marine strikes me a lot like a
description of mental illness.
Omar
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