[lit-ideas] FW: Re: Poetry and Madness

  • From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "lit-ideas" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:25:08 -0400

"Not so smart and not thought through and stubborn is arguably a combination 
that may resemble madness; it's also not a bad definition of ideologue."

I meant, of course, the neocons.  

I loved that poem by Robert Paul.  I never quite got it how poetry writing is 
done.  Lawrence, how did you start writing poetry?  I have an idea.  Can 
someone teach me to write poetry?  I was in the polar bear class in the back of 
the room, so imagine the rewards.  What say?  Step number 1 in poetry writing 
is to:  .  Okay, well, never mind.  I'll bet there's a Dummies book on it 
anyway.    
   

Ogama Ydna
School of Expiration



One might have talent with words or shapes or numbers, but one learns to be a 
poet or artist or musician.  If Mozart had been adopted by a shipbuilder and 
not had a father who pushed him into music, would he have become who he was?  
Berryman was an alcoholic.  His father was allegedly killed by his mother, or 
something along those lines.  In other words, a very poor childhood.  He was a 
very needy person, hence the alcohol.  He killed himself about a year after he 
gave up drinking (if I remember correctly).  I'm of the opinion that madness is 
not necessary for great art.   It seems contradictory that one can be mad and 
still have the wherewithal to concern one's self with meter and rhyme and 
structure and images.  I think what most people consider madness is really 
emotional pain.  Also, how do you explain people like Jane Austin, Alexander 
Pope?  Madness is unfortunately reserved for politics, and not always so 
controlled ...  Even there, we need to define madness.  Sociopat
 hs such as Stalin was, are not mad.  They're usually charming in fact.  People 
who are truly mad by definition don't function at a high level.  Not so smart 
and not thought through and stubborn is arguably a combination that may 
resemble madness; it's also not a bad definition of ideologue.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lawrence Helm 
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 9/20/2006 8:47:59 PM 
Subject: [lit-ideas] Poetry and Madness



So the trick for the poet, it seems to me, is to cultivate the madness in such 
a way as to wring decent poetry out of it without letting it gain possession.  

Lawrence

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