In a message dated 4/13/2010 12:09:02 A.M., ritchierd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I'd be surprised if he wasn't aware of the connection. ---- Some excerpts from _http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/speeches/speeches-about-winston-churc hill/his-speechs-how-churchill-did-it_ (http://www.winstonchurchill.org/learn/speeches/speeches-about-winston-churchill/his-speechs-how-churchill-did-it ) to check if we can claim it was 'conversationally implicated': In any case, there's further context. Perhaps Ritchie can expand on what context this French lady was using. "[Churchil then introduces] those to whom the message is sent: "us."" ""We" are those being summoned, ... Some form of the first person plural occurs no fewer than eleven times." "The force of "THEIR finest hour" is strengthened by the twist in perspective it represents, for "they" are of course "US."" "The shift from first to third person is a shift from what "we" must do to how others will judge us, which is the only reward "we" are offered by Churchill: to be honoured in history by future generations, not just by immediate descendants, but by "men" as a whole -- the judgement the world will make of the British." "It is deliberate myth-making, as if Homer were addressing the Greek army before Troy and promising that their deeds, if worthy, will always be recounted and marvelled at. Churchill promises his countrymen the opportunity of future epic fame as the one sure gain into which to transform what is otherwise for them simply the avoidance of loss." "In defining the threat, Churchill states who is threatened and so names "us" -- "Britain," "British" and "our Empire" -- and repeats and amplifies it in the final sentence: "the British Empire and its Commonwealth."" "What is threatened is not just another European country akin to those already lost, but a global Empire." "This concretizes the assertion that the outcome of the battle would affect "the whole world," but also reminds the audience that Britain could call upon resources no other European country could muster in opposing its foe." "This was not idle: Canadian troops were already in Britain, and within Fighter Command, fully 10% of the pilots were from Commonwealth countries." "A further 10% were from the occupied countries of Europe, and the United States. Against the sacrifice he is demanding of "us" are ranged three areas of civilisation." a. "France," b. "all Europe" and c. "the United States." "The first is lost, the second subjugated but with the possibility of becoming free, the third threatened." "For the duration of an "hour," the one which the British are summoned upon to make their finest, "this island" is placed in the centre of human history." "In this way Churchill builds the whole passage on three contrasts of extent. The first is the contrast in the extent of time between the past of the Dark Ages and the possibly "protracted" future as opposed to the "hour" in which "we" are called upon to do our duty." "Churchill has produced an inverted epitaphios by calling on the living to be heroes for their descendants. He anticipates the future epitaphios of those currently living in which it will be said that "this was their finest hour."" "By "bracing themselves to their duties," the fathers of future sons are to be worthy of the norms of the past (progonoi) in which withstanding tyranny was simply a duty (paideia and politeia) and by their bearing (arete) defend the present and so link the past and future of the people of this island (autochthones) in such a way that descendants will be comforted that "we" have won honour (paramythetikon) and will then seek to be worthy of "us" (protreptikon)." Etc. JLS