Julie -I've been baffled by the Democrats since 9/11 -- at first they seemed like sheep, blinded...and since then they've made some attempt to rouse and speak against what they believe is wrong; but they do not, have not, put forward any better notions, any agenda, they have not in any way been proactive (I hate that buzz-word-used-to-be, but it's the only thing that suffices here). There's a profound lack of a powerful leader in the party. It saddens me. Stan - The party in the White House always has a clear advantage because they have a leader that speaks for the party. The party outside the White House is always handicapped, there are so many voices that reflect different perspectives. They rarely have a charismatic leader (those outside of the WH, I mean) who speaks for them all. But the Democratic perspective has never been clearer - given the radical extremists that manage Congress and the WH. Democrats have a pretty pragmatic view of government. They think government can and does improve the lives of the people. They - We - believe in using government in areas that are beyond individual control (e.g., insuring that the air and water are clean, that regions get help with disaster relief, that war veterans are supported with good health care) and helping individuals who can't help themselves (disabled people who can't work, the very poor who can't afford health care, people who have lost their jobs and need assistance until they can find another one). If Democrats have a mixed perspective on Irag, its unavoidable, given that we're there already and have sacrificed young men and women in this effort. It would be much easier if we all had the same view of Iraq because we're Democrats -- and can sharply contrast it with the other sides -- but that's unrealistic. Certainly even the GOP has a mixed perspective on Iraq - from McCain to Chuck Hagel to John Warner to Arlen Spector, even to Pat Roberts. If there were a Democrat in the White House, we wouldnt be in Iraq, to begin with. And there would have been some sustained focus on finding and capturing OBL. That is, if the Democrat in the WH wasn't sabotaged by a Republican majority in Congress. But concluding that Democrats have no clear message is not warranted. It's only warranted if you think a clear message is clear only if it's succinct enough to fit on a bumper sticker. Stan Spiegel Portland, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Democrats <<Fissiparous means reproducing by fission, dividing into two equal parts, each of which is capable of independent growth, but I donât know what the author means by the term.>> The dictionary defines it as "divisiveness". It's kind of unusual at my age to see a word for the first time! I've been baffled by the Democrats since 9/11 -- at first they seemed like sheep, blinded...and since then they've made some attempt to rouse and speak against what they believe is wrong; but they do not, have not, put forward any better notions, any agenda, they have not in any way been proactive (I hate that buzz-word-used-to-be, but it's the only thing that suffices here). There's a profound lack of a powerful leader in the party. It saddens me. Julie Krueger ========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: Democrats Date: 2/25/06 3:53:32 P.M. Central Standard Time From: lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent on: An interesting article, Julie. Fissiparous means reproducing by fission, dividing into two equal parts, each of which is capable of independent growth, but I donât know what the author means by the term. I have heard others describe the Democratic Party in similar terms to those in the article. Democrats know what they are against, i.e., anything that Bush is for, but they donât know what they are for, or they donât know in any terms that are going to get their candidate elected. Lawrence ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 1:25 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Democrats http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4747254.stm A sometimes odd and skewed, occasionally incisive, and pretty amusing piece. I do love the take on the U.S. by the British media .... the bumper sticker quotes are worth a laugh at least -- I've not seen some of them. (Who knows the word "fissiparous"? I've never even seen it before!) Julie Krueger obviously vocabulary deficient