In our discussion of Kant, I have represented Kant as a rationalist successor to Descartes, using similar methods. This may be a mistake. Noting that I have been making assertions based on memories of material read now nearly four decades ago, I did a Google search for "Kant" and discovered the following site: http://www.iep.utm.edu/k/kantmeta.htm#H2 To this layman's eye, this site does a good job of presenting the outlines of Kant's metaphysics in language accessible to someone like myself who does not have either the German or the time to read the original. I have already noted, however, that the historical positioning of Kant's philosophy differs from the one described above. Where I have framed the matter as empiricists versus rationalists and assigned Kant to the rationalist camp, the author of this piece portrays Kant as dissatisfied with both his empiricist and rationalist predecessors and, as it were, formulating a third way, in which the notion of the synthetic a priori and a distinct form of argument, the transcendental proof, are required to escape the trap created by envisioning knowledge as composed of only two alternatives, analytic a priori or synthetic a posteriori propositions. I would like to see some discussion of whether Kant's project succeeds (personally, I don't think so). But first, I ask the serious scholars here whether they would accept the account provided by this site as a usable representation of Kant's metaphysics. A paragraph of particular interest to me is the following, "Synthetic a priori claims, Kant argues, demand an entirely different kind of proof than those required for analytic, a priori claims or synthetic, a posteriori claims. Indications for how to proceed, Kant says, can be found in the examples of synthetic a priori claims in natural science and mathematics, specifically geometry. Claims like Newton's, "the quantity of matter is always preserved," and the geometer's claim, "the angles of a triangle always add up to 180 degrees" are known a priori, but they cannot be known merely from an analysis of the concepts of matter or triangle. We must "go outside and beyond the concept. . . joining to it a priori in thought something which I have not thought in it." (B 18) A synthetic a priori claim constructs upon and adds to what is contained analytically in a concept without appealing to experience. So if we are to solve the problems generated by Empiricism and Rationalism, the central question of metaphysics in the Critique of Pure Reason reduces to "How are synthetic a priori judgments possible?" (19) If we can answer that question, then we can determine the possibility, legitimacy, and range of all metaphysical claims." Does this represent Kant's views with sufficient accuracy to ground further discussion? John -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN Tel. +81-45-314-9324 http://www.wordworks.jp/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html