[lit-ideas] Re: Cardinals and the Legacy of H. P. Grice
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:50:43 EDT
We are considering, "One, two, buckle my shoe".
In a message dated 6/17/2009 12:27:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
karltrogge@xxxxxxxx writes:
> Never mind Witters unless you quote him SPECIFICALLY.
Wht do you mean by this remark? -- my query is about any influence he may
have had on Herbert Paul
Grice (March 13, 1913 - August 28, 1988), the British-educated
philosopher of language.
---- Grice? Never heard of him.
Just joking!
First: I've been to Amsterdam and they ARE parochial, and NOBODY can speak
two languages.
I thought you were saying that "Witters" (as Grice called Wittgenstein) had
something to say about numbers, etc. -- and that's why I was asking for a
specific quotation.
If it's as brilliant as what he said about 'sentences' ... (Just joking --
but you never answered my query as to how ill formed can a sentence be). If
you correspond with me, you have to keep on track, because I'm very fast.
Yes, I think Witters did influence Grice.
I think it was at first Witter's ridiculous things that motivated Grice to
delve deeper.
"A horse cannot look like a horse", Witters would say. "Of course he can;
in fact a horse cannot BUT look like a horse -- most of the time."
Etc.
At a later stage, in 1975 ("Method") he was more sympathetic: he quotes
Witters twice there: e.g. about 'expect' -- a dog can expect that his owner
will walk him. -- and about inner states needing explanatory bite.
---- But on the whole, Witters was regarded by Grice as a _VERY_ 'minor
figure' in philosophy. The greats were, for Grice: Locke, Wollaston,
Bosanquet, and Aristotle, with Kant.
Oddly, that list corresponds with me _minus_ Aristotle and Kant_. And I
add:
AUSTIN, John Langshaw b. Lancaster
GRICE, Herbert Paul b. Holborne, Warwickshire
HAMPSHIRE, Stuart Newton, b. Lincolnshire
HARE, Richard Mervyn b. Somerset
NOWELL-SMITH, Patrick Horace. Born Middlesex
PEARS, David Francis b. Middlesex
STRAWSON, Peter Frederick b. Middlesex
THOMSON, James Francis b Suffolk
URMSON, James Opie. born Yorkshire
WARNOCK, Geoffrey James b. Yorkshire
These philosophers formed what Grice called "The Play Group" -- Inside the
playgroup and its influence, there's philosophy; outside it, none!
J. L. Speranza
Bordighera
"Some like Wittters, but Grice's my man"
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