In a message dated 7/2/2009 5:17:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rpaul@xxxxxxxx writes: There is no indefinite number of countable things. 'I'm not sure how many birds I saw,' does not entail 'The birds in that particular space-time slice could never be counted.' Counting is a mostly human activity. Birds and numbers are what they are independently of this. --- I see. Yes, the example is confusing because he _was_ blind, so what is he talking about "I saw". I mean, visible things are difficult enough to have to dwell on a blind man's vivid imagination. So suppose Trogge sees a flock of seagulls (he lives in Hamburg). He actually _heard_ them, too. They were _laughing_ sea-gulls: ha ha hahha haa haa hha He reasoned: "I saw, let's say, no more than ten, and more than one or two -- but which number, _escapes_ me". Surely we would feel affronted if he were to conclude from that that God _exists_. I would take that with Geary as yet another proof that Geary does NOT exist. J. L. Speranza Buenos Aires, Argentina ----- How _long_ can finishing a novel take? I keep calling him names and to no effect. Shouldn't he published it -- and in lit-ideas -- as it is NOW? **************Dell Summer Savings: Cool Deals on Popular Laptops – Shop Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222696924x1201468348/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D1) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html