I thought the use of 'substance' by Westminster boys is witty. Where do they learn those things? Anyway, consider that Witters has gegenstand 'bilden' the 'substance'. He possibly did not realise that there is cacophony there: gegen stand gegen as in a-gain. i.e. counter stand, possibly same IE root for 'stans' in substance. Odd. "Welt" ends to ruin the complex. JLS **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html