it's unfortunate that the word hackers evokes fear and loathing in the uninformed because hacking source codes is the way we get new applications. unfortunate because those who use it for causing chaos, use Unix to devise nasty intrusive things that cause the cyber world anxiety and destruction, or at least the illegal use or crippling of computers. we need another word for hackers that are constructive and who offer new ways of doing I.T. (is that intelligent technology or just it?) how about Constructive hackers? To unsubcribe send e-mail with the word unsubscribe in the body to: Linux-Anyway-Request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?body=unsubscribe