[lifesaviors] [PANEL-D] PP "Palaces Working Group"
- From: "Lion Kuntz" <lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: ET-PARTI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, lifesaviors@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:00:44 -0800
I am forwarding a copy of a letter sent to the LifeSaviors Ecocity Working
Group (below).
A final summation from the proposer is forthcoming shortly. Current status is
that there are 6 persons subscribed: One from California, USA (me), one from
Michigan, USA, One from Texas, USA, one from Phillipines, one from Sweden, one
from Germany. There are two other private correspondants (Arizona &
Washington), whom have elected to abstain currently from subscribing to the
list.
If anyone has hesitation because they feel that their email privacy will be
compromised to spammers, see concatenated message below, which shows how email
addresses are masked by the list software: TO and FROM fields are masked, but
email addresses in body of text are not masked. As long as one does not sign
the email with their email address in the body, then they are not going to have
their email address published on the webpage archives.
The small size of the current Working Group is sufficient to create a new
public benefit corporation (in the USA called "nonprofit" corportation, in the
rest of the world called a "NGO"). This will allow professional architects and
engineers to donate services and receive a government benefit as a reduction of
their income tax liability. This is not much incentive, but might be the
critical small difference needed to elicite contributions where the present
group lacks recognized governmental credibility and respect.
The Working Group (or me, if it comes down to that) will assemble the
background data the professional talent needs to prove their case.
As in the ZERI pavillion at Expo 2000, it may be necessary to build a complete
"Palace" structure in a corner of the planet where the governmental regulations
are "lax", so as to prove their structural integrity for lands with
over-regulated bueaurocracy which are intolerant of "new ideas" or deviations
from existing norms.
http://www.zeri.org/expo/pavilion.htm
http://www.zeri.org/expo/pavilion_planning.htm
http://bambus.rwth-aachen.de/eng/PDF-Files/ZERI%20Pavillion.pdf (Page 7 of 10)
PLEASE: the above citations are NOT (repeat NOT) an endorsement of bamboo
"Palaces", but they indicate the problem of introducing Buckminster Fuller's
Octet Truss to "Do More With Less".
Buckminster Fuller introduced the Octet Truss, which he called the isotropic
vector matrix.
http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/octet.html
http://www.grunch.net/synergetics/ivm.html
http://www.tabletoptelephone.com/~hopspage/Fuller.html
http://reality.sculptors.com/~salsbury/Gifs/Graphics/octet-truss-003-v1.png
Here are pictures of the Museum of Modern Art Fuller Octet Truss exhibit.
http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/Moma.htm
http://www.synergeticsinc.com/bodytext/exhibit.htm
The OCTET TRUSS can significantly reduce the steel costs in a Palace structure,
while improving its strength-to-weight ratio. However it increases the labor
costs (which is not an issue where future residents participate in building
their own Palace).
Final Summary will be issued in several hours.
Thank You for your interest,
Lion Kuntz.
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Appendix 1 of 1
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[lifesaviors] ECOCITY WORKING GROUPS
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To: lifesaviors@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lifesaviors] ECOCITY WORKING GROUPS
From: "Lion Kuntz" <lionkuntz@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 14:21:36 -0800
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Hello
There are currently six users subscribed to this list. Lion Kuntz is listowner,
and Roberto Verzola suggested creation of the list some months ago. The list
was never advertised, although it was intended to be opened for discussion of
compact high-yield micro-farming. Without advertising the list, of course it
never grew members.
A series of messages was previously posted to the list to build up an archives
and track record of the message topics suitable for discussion on the list.
Many posts contain facts which are informative and contain links to more
sources of similar data.
EXPANSION of list topics:
After 5 months of ECOCITY e-conference, it was decided by list owner to expand
the scope of this pre-created list to carry over and include the food security
topic matter, but also to incorporate two other distantly related concepts
carried over from the ECOCITY discussions.
These two concepts are (1) Palaces for the People, which are village-sized
buildings of one hectare (one city block) in size, stuffed with ecological
compatibility technologies, and, (2) Solar PV Breeder farms.
If expansion of the lists warrants, each subject will be split off into its own
list.
Currently, each presently subscribed member is pre-approved to post messages
without waiting for list moderator approval.
Send messages as ordinary email to: lifesaviors@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Copies will be distributed to each subscriber automatically.
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Key webpages:
list web access page
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introductory information (Eco-Syn)
http://www.freewebz.com/microfarm/IBS_Flowchart/IBS_Flowchart_01.html
Web archives of back messages
//www.freelists.org/archives/lifesaviors/
A pictorial webpage selector for Ecosyn.us/ECOCITY
http://www.ecosyn.us/Real_Work/
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This was proposed as a WORKING GROUP to further the discussion topics above
into tangible reality.
QUESTION:
Can people make initial statements what they would like to help actualize, or
is further detailed discussions necessary?
QUESTION:
Can people indicate a preliminary allotment of mental attention which they feel
they can budget over the next period of time (say 30 to 90 days, hours per
week, hours per month)?
QUESTION:
Can we produce a questionaire which can be put on the website, so that new can
introduce themselves and indicate key information of what their special talents
or contributions might be?
Once this effort is moving we can refer to links to archived messages rather
than extensive quoting. Does anybody have a problem with this methodology?
Does anyone have any computer access limitations which might constrain their
participation?
enough for one message...
... Lion Kuntz
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