[liblouis-liblouisxml] Re: Backtranslation problem
- From: "John J. Boyer" <johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: liblouis-liblouisxml@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 09:44:03 -0600
Lars,
I'm glad you solved this one problem. With regard to expressions like
50-ring I've actually known about such things for some time, but nobody
seemed to care, so I figured I would wait until someone did. It will
take some looking into. It is definitely a problem with the code.
John
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 03:09:21PM +0100, Lars Bj�rndal wrote:
> Hello, John!
>
> Thank you very much for your information about the allround/debug
> tools. Thanks to these tools and to your explanation, I found the problem
> with my personal table regarding the "ei"/elleri" problems. It was due
> to litdigit be defined too early in the table.
>
> There are another problem, however, that I'm not able to slove. This
> is also reproducable with the english en-us-g1.ctb: If you load this
> table and run "50-ring", you get problems with backtransatlin:
> "50-r9n7". I would like to get "50-ring", of course. Is this a problem
> with the engine or with the tables?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lars
>
> "John J. Boyer" <johnjboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:
>
> > Lars,
> >
> > Here are the results I got from lou_debug and lou_allround. I have
> > gone through the steps in some detail for those who may be unfamiliar
> > with these two tools.
> >
> > To see what is happening in back-translation in lou_debug you must use
> > the dot pattern of what you are interested in. The word eller translates
> > to dots 15. I called lou_debug with No-No.g2.ctb. At the command: prompt
> > I typed p (enter). This took me to the particular: prompt. Here I typed
> > d (enter) for dots. At the -> prompt I typed 15 (enter). This showed the
> > definition of the dot pattern 15 together with the rules associated with
> > it. The rule for eller occurred twice, but there was nothing else
> > unusual. Trying the dot pattern 24 for the letter i also produced
> > nothing unusual.
> >
> > Then I tried lou_allround. At the command: prompt typing t (enter)
> > brought up a request for a table name. I typed No-No-g2.ctb (enter) and
> > got back to the command: prompt. Here I typed r (enter) for run. I then
> > tried both eller and ei. Both were translated and back-translated
> > correctly. I then pressed enter with nothing on the line to get back to
> > the command: prompt. Here I chose b for back-translation only. After
> > confirming this, I again tyred r (enter) at the command: prompt. I then
> > tried just the letter e and it was back-translated to eller. I then
> > tried ei. It was back-translated to ei.
> >
> > I next looked at the table in a text editor. There are rules for eller
> > at lines 18 and 146. I also noticed that forskjeller is defined as both
> > begword and endword at lines 206 and 207.
> >
> > Maybe this will give you some clues.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:57:46AM +0100, Lars Bj�rndal wrote:
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> John, I think this is food for you.
> >>
> >> I have a really strange issue regarding backtranslation, that I cannot
> >> solve by myself.
> >>
> >> I'm using liblouis-1.4.0, and liblouisxml-1.7.0 at the moment. One
> >> table that can be used to reproduce this, is No-No-g2.ctb.
> >>
> >> If I backtranslate the word "ei", which is a Norwegian word by itself,
> >> it's backtranslated into "elleri", e.g. the letter "e" is
> >> backtranslated into "eller" as it should have been if the "e" was
> >> alone, and the letter "i" is added. The word "eller" is defined as
> >> word in the table, not begword. If I try to backtranslate "ef", this
> >> does not happen.
> >>
> >> The same happens with "bli". "bl" is backtranslated into "blant", and
> >> the "i" is added. "blant" is defined as word too.
> >>
> >> I've read the tables up and down, but I cannot understand why this
> >> should happen. Hope you can help me!
> >>
> >> Lars
> For a description of the software and to download it go to
> http://www.jjb-software.com
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